Tanker locations

[132ndNeck]

With the range and airspace now completed, we need to decide on where to place our tanker tracks.
Please provide feedback here on suggestiongs, comments or concern regarding tanker locations.

Note, a tanker needs the following airspace (that needs to be taken into account when deciding on where we place the tankers):

[Gabykhan]

Little remark regarding the pattern you describe above: it seems roughly OK in lenght but slightly too wide.

IRL: length is maximum around 50 Nm long for a 20' pattern, but in general it is shorter for 15' patterns. Width is around 15 Nm.
In DCS at 260kt IAS FL240: width is 9 Nm tanker alone and 25 Nm during AAR.

Examples of real AAR patterns.

A "tight" AAR area is like here: around 30 Nm wide and 70 Nm long.

[132nd-Thatch]

I used Shell 11 last night, its position could do with being slightly West as it isn't far from the FLOT and a bit far from the Western ranges. TACAN , Comms worked well. The speed for 315 Knots made it very stable refuelling.
In the documents its tankers are always referred to as use **Y, needs to be just **X

[132ndNeck]

Little remark regarding the pattern you describe above: it seems roughly OK in lenght but slightly too wide.

IRL: length is maximum around 50 Nm long for a 20' pattern, but in general it is shorter for 15' patterns. Width is around 15 Nm. In DCS at 260kt IAS FL240: width is 9 Nm tanker alone and 25 Nm during AAR.

I am happy to place any tanker tracks, as long as I get the necessary information (speed, altitude, length of track//start and end point of the track, and distance from borders/location of the actual track). The picture I referred to I got from Evo after his testing.

[132ndNeck]

I used Shell 11 last night, its position could do with being slightly West as it isn't far from the FLOT and a bit far from the Western ranges. TACAN , Comms worked well. The speed for 315 Knots made it very stable refuelling. In the documents its tankers are always referred to as use **Y, needs to be just **X

• I can move any track (as we have not decided on where we want them yet). Just provide the necessary information (and make sure that the tanker track works well with aircraft refueling, and stays within intended airspace. For the tanker in Range 22, the goal is to have it within Range 22 airspace, and not venture outside the airspace. But that can be changed if anyone have a better suggestion/idea
• Regarding Y vs X, I am not sure what you mean?

[jkhoel]

I like having a tanker close to the airbase. I use AR203 a lot on ATRM. Could we maybe have one on a north-south track directly east of the TMA/Range 14?

[132ndNeck]

I like having a tanker close to the airbase. I use AR203 a lot on ATRM. Could we maybe have one on a north-south track directly east of the TMA/Range 14?

I kindly request details such as altitude, speed, start location, end location of the track (and that is assessed for size and impact on other areas with an aircraft attached doing refueling)

[000Ready000]

Could we have maybe two tanker tracks for the A-10? To be able to hit a tanker whenever we visit either a southern or a northern A/G Range. 12.000ft 265Kts N-S track. One north of Lodingen, one south of Rockland.

[132ndEvo]

Little remark regarding the pattern you describe above: it seems roughly OK in lenght but slightly too wide.

IRL: length is maximum around 50 Nm long for a 20' pattern, but in general it is shorter for 15' patterns. Width is around 15 Nm. In DCS at 260kt IAS FL240: width is 9 Nm tanker alone and 25 Nm during AAR.

Examples of real AAR patterns.

A "tight" AAR area is like here: around 30 Nm wide and 70 Nm long.

You are correct, Gaby however in DCS, we can not control the width, and the tanker will always turn with a reduced bank angle resulting in a width of 34nm with an IAS of 300 kts.

[132ndEvo]

The two options I think would work is one tanker over the carrier and one tanker over Kiruna.
Carrier- the tanker can provide support for carrier ops and all the oceanic ranges. If we place the lowest tanker at FL200 it will not impact any carrier ops
Kiruna- I think this location will help with the nearby ranges and other operations to the east, beyond for ops beyond the FLOT.

[Gabykhan]

In order to offer additional scenario and training options, is it possible to find a spot for a KC-130 in low level (around 5000' QNH and 200 kt IAS)?
For example, I would put it around N 68 45.000 E 016 00.000.
Thanks

[132ndNeck]

In order to offer additional scenario and training options, is it possible to find a spot for a KC-130 in low level (around 5000' QNH and 200 kt IAS)? For example, I would put it around N 68 45.000 E 016 00.000. Thanks

That should be doable. Can add in one during the next week.

Just note that it is in the middle of two airfields, so might not be the best location (they are not there yet, but will be in. Evenes around: N 68 29.384 E 016 41.774 and Andøya N 69 16.933 E 016 07.333)

[Gabykhan]

Maybe we can start here and when the airfields are included, we think about a better location? Or you have a better location in mind and I let you do it this way. The idea is to be close to range 21.

[132ndNeck]

In order to offer additional scenario and training options, is it possible to find a spot for a KC-130 in low level (around 5000' QNH and 200 kt IAS)? For example, I would put it around N 68 45.000 E 016 00.000. Thanks

Tanker is now in the .miz file and spawning works. Briefing page will be update later today.

[000Ready000]

maybe two tanker tracks for the A-10? To be able to hit a tanker whenever we visit either a southern or a northern A/G Range. 12.000ft 265Kts N-S track. One north of Lodingen, one south of Rockland.

Could my request have been overlooked? Not sure, did not see a response, maybe it is prioritized?

[132ndNeck]

maybe two tanker tracks for the A-10? To be able to hit a tanker whenever we visit either a southern or a northern A/G Range. 12.000ft 265Kts N-S track. One north of Lodingen, one south of Rockland.

Could my request have been overlooked? Not sure, did not see a response, maybe it is prioritized?

It is not overlooked. I simply can not do everything at the same time and need to do things as it fits my schedule. Tankers for the aircrafts that needs it are therefore prioritized first from my side (F-16s, F/A-18s and F-14s).