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<p><span m='0'>Robert Krulwich:</span> <span m='730'>Oh</span> <span m='820'>wait,</span> <span m='1180'>you're</span> <span m='1350'>listening--</span> </p><p><span m='1620'>Voice-over Girl:</span> <span m='1860'>OK.</span> </p><p><span m='2473'>Jad Abumrad:</span> <span m='2856'>All right.</span> </p><p><span m='3790'>Voice-over Girl:</span> <span m='4210'>OK.</span> </p><p><span m='4630'>J.A.:</span> <span m='5015'>All</span> <span m='5400'>right.</span> </p>
<p><span m='6995'>Voice-over Girl:</span> <span m='7400'>You</span> <span m='7530'>are</span> <span m='8020'>listening</span> <span m='8440'>to</span> <span m='8570'>Radiolab,</span> <span m='10140'>Radiolab.</span> <span m='10410'>From</span> <span m='11530'>WNYC</span> <span m='12820'>C</span> <span m='13786'>C</span> <span m='15214'>and</span> <span m='15690'>NPR.</span> </p>
<p><span m='17240'>[MUSIC]</span> </p><p><span m='23620'>J.A.:</span> <span m='24040'>Hey,</span> <span m='24460'>I'm</span> <span m='24700'>Jad</span> <span m='24870'>Abumrad.</span> </p>
<p><span m='25080'>R.K.:</span> <span m='25520'>I'm</span> <span m='25770'>Robert</span> <span m='26040'>Krulwich.</span> </p><p><span m='26130'>J.A.:</span> <span m='26450'>This is</span> <span m='26770'>Radiolab</span> <span m='27120'>and</span> <span m='27430'>today</span> <span m='28160'>we</span> <span m='28360'>are</span> <span m='28822'>desperately</span> <span m='29284'>seeking</span> <span m='30210'>symmetry.</span> </p><p><span m='30525'>R.K.: And</span> <span m='30840'>thus</span> <span m='31320'>far</span> <span m='31560'>we</span> <span m='31680'>are</span> <span m='32049'>failing--</span> </p><p><span m='32444'>J.A.:</span> <span m='32840'>desperately.</span> </p><p><span m='33165'>R.K.:</span> <span m='33490'>Because</span> <span m='33820'>maybe,</span> <span m='34160'>maybe,</span> <span m='34390'>you</span> <span m='34460'>know,</span> <span m='34540'>if</span> <span m='34650'>we</span> <span m='34750'>took--</span> <span m='35020'>if</span> <span m='35120'>we</span> <span m='35240'>rejiggered</span> <span m='35860'>our</span> <span m='36020'>whole</span> <span m='36380'>approach,</span> <span m='37130'>because</span> <span m='37560'>symmetry,</span> <span m='37640'>you know,</span> <span m='38000'>is always</span> <span m='38280'>really</span> <span m='38690'>about--</span> </p>
<p><span m='38970'>J.A.: Love?</span> </p><p><span m='39420'>R.K.:</span> <span m='39810'>No,</span> <span m='40250'>it's--</span> <span m='41950'>it's--</span> </p><p><span m='42140'>J.A.: What?</span> </p><p><span m='42570'>R.K.: No,</span> <span m='42840'>we're</span> <span m='42930'>changing</span> <span m='43330'>the</span> <span m='43410'>subject now.</span> </p><p><span m='43885'>J.A.: Nah.</span> </p><p><span m='44122'>R.K.: It's about</span> <span m='44360'>the</span> <span m='44570'>way</span> <span m='44690'>things</span> <span m='45070'>look</span> <span m='45540'>when</span> <span m='45770'>they're</span> <span m='46120'>flipped</span> <span m='46520'>around</span> <span m='46965'>or</span> <span m='47230'>turned</span> <span m='47580'>or</span> <span m='47930'>rotated.</span> <span m='49070'>And</span> <span m='49410'>this is</span> <span m='49600'>where</span> <span m='49780'>it gets</span> <span m='49890'>really</span> <span m='50120'>interesting.</span> </p><p><span m='50500'>J.A.:</span> <span m='50900'>Remember</span> <span m='51240'>when</span> <span m='51360'>I</span> <span m='51400'>asked</span> <span m='51700'>you</span> <span m='51760'>that</span> <span m='52030'>personal</span> <span m='52530'>question?</span> </p>
<p><span m='52860'>R.K.:</span> <span m='53190'>Oh,</span> <span m='53553'>yeah.</span> <span m='53916'>Do we want</span> <span m='54280'>to do that?</span> </p><p><span m='54780'>J.A.:</span> <span m='55130'>Oh</span> <span m='55250'>yes,</span> <span m='55490'>we</span> <span m='55600'>do.</span> <span m='56050'>Psychologically,</span> <span m='56820'>let</span> <span m='56920'>me</span> <span m='57010'>ask,</span> <span m='57270'>psychologically</span> <span m='57710'>do</span> <span m='58150'>you,</span> <span m='58440'>do</span> <span m='58630'>you</span> <span m='58730'>enjoy</span> <span m='59080'>looking</span> <span m='59380'>in</span> <span m='59440'>the</span> <span m='59640'>mirror?</span> </p><p><span m='63126'>R.K.:</span> <span m='63630'>Is</span> <span m='63810'>that</span> <span m='63990'>a</span> <span m='64030'>question</span> <span m='64489'>you</span> <span m='64569'>want to</span> <span m='64819'>ask</span> <span m='65099'>me</span> <span m='65200'>in</span> <span m='65370'>front</span> <span m='65519'>of</span> <span m='65660'>uh--</span> <span m='66110'>that's a--</span> <span m='66560'>that's</span> <span m='67010'>a private question,</span> <span m='67460'>I feel.</span> </p><p><span m='67910'>J.A.:</span> <span m='68390'>Surely</span> <span m='68860'>you</span> <span m='69020'>know</span> <span m='69220'>though,</span> <span m='69550'>that</span> <span m='69810'>you</span> <span m='69950'>are</span> <span m='70170'>uh--</span> <span m='70500'>the</span> <span m='70700'>difference</span> <span m='71000'>between</span> <span m='71200'>your</span> <span m='71340'>true</span> <span m='71660'>self</span> <span m='72670'>and</span> <span m='72800'>your</span> <span m='72950'>mirror</span> <span m='73140'>self</span> <span m='73800'>is</span> <span m='74310'>not</span> <span m='74970'>trivial.</span> </p><p><span m='75725'>R.K.:</span> <span m='76040'>My</span> <span m='76380'>true--</span> <span m='76700'>what</span> <span m='76900'>did</span> <span m='76980'>you</span> <span m='77080'>mean</span> <span m='77170'>by</span> <span m='77290'>my</span> <span m='77460'>true</span> <span m='77820'>self?</span> <span m='78216'>I don't</span> <span m='78612'>under--</span> </p>
<p><span m='79010'>J.A.: Well</span> <span m='79220'>I'm going to</span> <span m='79320'>tell</span> <span m='79520'>you</span> <span m='79610'>the</span> <span m='79690'>story</span> <span m='80010'>now--</span> <span m='80370'>OK.</span> <span m='80630'>--about</span> <span m='80900'>a</span> <span m='80960'>guy</span> <span m='81270'>named</span> <span m='81730'>John</span> <span m='82410'>Walter.</span> </p><p><span m='82750'>R.K.:</span> <span m='83090'>Oh,</span> <span m='83375'>the--</span> <span m='83660'>with</span> <span m='83870'>the little</span> <span m='84175'>moustache,</span> <span m='84480'>from</span> <span m='84680'>Baltimore,</span> <span m='85200'>from</span> <span m='85370'>the</span> <span m='85450'>movies.</span> </p><p><span m='85770'>J.A.:</span> <span m='86090'>No,</span> <span m='86240'>that's</span> <span m='86440'>John</span> <span m='86670'>Waters.</span> <span m='88140'>Walter.</span> <span m='89370'>He's</span> <span m='89550'>a</span> <span m='89660'>computer</span> <span m='90050'>programmer</span> <span m='90540'>in</span> <span m='90920'>New</span> <span m='91060'>Rochelle,</span> <span m='91580'>paid</span> <span m='91770'>him</span> <span m='91840'>a</span> <span m='91910'>visit</span> <span m='92200'>recently.</span> <span m='92870'>'Cause</span> <span m='93060'>back</span> <span m='93160'>when</span> <span m='93310'>he</span> <span m='93450'>was in</span> <span m='93530'>college</span> <span m='94330'>he</span> <span m='94700'>sorta,</span> <span m='95070'>kinda,</span> <span m='95650'>switched</span> <span m='96080'>places</span> <span m='96630'>with</span> <span m='96800'>the</span> <span m='96890'>guy</span> <span m='97510'>in</span> <span m='97650'>the</span> <span m='97720'>mirror.</span> </p>
<p><span m='98060'>John Walter.: It</span> <span m='98430'>was</span> <span m='98690'>many</span> <span m='98940'>years</span> <span m='99170'>ago.</span> </p><p><span m='99650'>J.A.: How</span> <span m='99860'>old</span> <span m='100040'>were</span> <span m='100140'>you?</span> </p><p><span m='100330'>J.W.: I</span> <span m='100450'>was</span> <span m='100600'>19.</span> </p><p><span m='101440'>J.A.: 19.</span> </p>
<p><span m='101820'>J.W.: So it</span> <span m='102030'>was a</span> <span m='102070'>long</span> <span m='102250'>time</span> <span m='102420'>ago.</span> </p><p><span m='102590'>J.A.: We're</span> <span m='102690'>talking</span> <span m='102970'>late</span> <span m='103190'>'70s</span> <span m='103560'>here.</span> </p><p><span m='103820'>J.W.: But</span> <span m='104090'>I</span> <span m='104230'>was--</span> <span m='105780'>had</span> <span m='106150'>already</span> <span m='106560'>had</span> <span m='106950'>some</span> <span m='107150'>issues</span> <span m='107500'>with</span> <span m='107630'>the</span> <span m='107750'>mirror.</span> </p><p><span m='108360'>J.A.: So</span> <span m='108540'>let me</span> <span m='108640'>set</span> <span m='108810'>this</span> <span m='108910'>up for you.</span> <span m='109320'>The</span> <span m='109390'>thing</span> <span m='109580'>to</span> <span m='109670'>know</span> <span m='109810'>about</span> <span m='110000'>John</span> <span m='110440'>is</span> <span m='110630'>that,</span> <span m='110890'>as</span> <span m='111050'>a</span> <span m='111120'>kid,</span> <span m='112170'>he</span> <span m='112370'>had</span> <span m='112480'>a</span> <span m='112540'>tough</span> <span m='112800'>time.</span> <span m='113710'>Like</span> <span m='113910'>so</span> <span m='114040'>many</span> <span m='114250'>of</span> <span m='114360'>us.</span> <span m='114660'>He would</span> <span m='114840'>get</span> <span m='115000'>bullied,</span> <span m='115820'>beaten</span> <span m='116170'>up</span> <span m='116300'>on</span> <span m='116400'>the</span> <span m='116470'>playground.</span> <span m='117430'>It</span> <span m='117910'>was</span> <span m='118090'>no</span> <span m='118200'>better</span> <span m='118470'>when</span> <span m='118600'>he</span> <span m='118660'>got</span> <span m='118860'>into</span> <span m='119160'>his</span> <span m='119620'>teens.</span> <span m='119760'>And as</span> <span m='119930'>a</span> <span m='119980'>19</span> <span m='120580'>year</span> <span m='120700'>old,</span> <span m='120910'>his</span> <span m='121460'>social</span> <span m='121950'>life</span> <span m='122200'>consisted</span> <span m='122830'>of</span> <span m='122950'>a</span> <span m='123020'>series</span> <span m='123630'>of</span> <span m='123930'>stinging</span> <span m='124660'>humiliations</span> <span m='125680'>like</span> <span m='126200'>the</span> <span m='126310'>following.</span> </p><p><span m='126710'>J.W.: I</span> <span m='126770'>remember,</span> <span m='127950'>at</span> <span m='128120'>the</span> <span m='128220'>time</span> <span m='128550'>there was</span> <span m='128720'>a</span> <span m='128789'>lot</span> <span m='129020'>of</span> <span m='130169'>kids</span> <span m='130440'>hanging</span> <span m='130729'>out.</span> <span m='131120'>You</span> <span m='131280'>know,</span> <span m='131410'>there</span> <span m='131530'>was</span> <span m='131700'>a</span> <span m='131890'>crew of</span> <span m='132360'>people,</span> <span m='132760'>like,</span> <span m='133060'>you</span> <span m='133160'>know</span> <span m='133850'>20,</span> <span m='134170'>30,</span> <span m='134460'>40</span> <span m='134790'>kids</span> <span m='135140'>would</span> <span m='135310'>gather</span> <span m='135680'>together</span> <span m='136080'>at</span> <span m='136160'>the</span> <span m='136280'>aqueduct,</span> <span m='137370'>beautiful</span> <span m='137810'>woods</span> <span m='138170'>of the</span> <span m='138590'>aqueduct,</span> <span m='139205'>and</span> <span m='140310'>go drink</span> <span m='140780'>beers</span> <span m='141200'>and</span> <span m='141360'>smoke</span> <span m='141610'>cigarettes,</span> <span m='142040'>you</span> <span m='142120'>know.</span> <span m='143210'>I've</span> <span m='143390'>walked</span> <span m='143690'>into</span> <span m='143900'>the</span> <span m='143990'>group,</span> <span m='144240'>OK,</span> <span m='144330'>what's</span> <span m='144650'>up</span> <span m='145010'>and it's like,</span> <span m='145390'>yeah,</span> <span m='145570'>whatever.</span> <span m='148700'>Roundly</span> <span m='149220'>rejected.</span> </p><p><span m='150365'>J.A.:</span> <span m='150750'>And</span> <span m='151090'>that,</span> <span m='151530'>according</span> <span m='151810'>to</span> <span m='151890'>John,</span> <span m='152190'>was--</span> </p>
<p><span m='152450'>J.W.: Normal,</span> <span m='152990'>that's</span> <span m='153410'>that's--</span> </p><p><span m='153770'>J.A.: That was</span> <span m='153910'>normal</span> <span m='154275'>for you.</span> </p><p><span m='154640'>J.W.:</span> <span m='154726'>Normal,</span> <span m='154813'>very</span> <span m='154900'>normal.</span> <span m='155440'>Like</span> <span m='155600'>people</span> <span m='155940'>would</span> <span m='156130'>say,</span> <span m='156820'>what's</span> <span m='157160'>that</span> <span m='157310'>guy</span> <span m='157510'>doing</span> <span m='157790'>here,</span> <span m='158230'>ehh.</span> </p>
<p><span m='158635'>R.K.:</span> <span m='159040'>Maybe</span> <span m='159540'>he</span> <span m='159620'>was</span> <span m='159760'>like</span> <span m='159930'>wearing</span> <span m='160270'>the</span> <span m='160350'>wrong</span> <span m='161230'>plaid</span> <span m='161790'>pants</span> <span m='162340'>or</span> <span m='162450'>had</span> <span m='162690'>like,</span> <span m='162920'>you</span> <span m='163010'>know,</span> <span m='163190'>mismatched</span> <span m='163475'>socks.</span> <span m='164140'>There</span> <span m='164240'>might</span> <span m='164390'>be</span> <span m='164480'>some--</span> </p>
<p><span m='164710'>J.A.: Whatever,</span> <span m='165210'>don't</span> <span m='165420'>you</span> <span m='165510'>emphasize--</span> <span m='166040'>pathize</span> <span m='166160'>with</span> <span m='166445'>this guy?</span> </p><p><span m='166730'>R.K.:</span> <span m='167140'>Nobody</span> <span m='167520'>wants</span> <span m='167820'>to</span> <span m='167920'>be</span> <span m='168020'>19</span> <span m='168470'>and</span> <span m='168560'>be</span> <span m='168630'>the</span> <span m='168760'>yucky</span> <span m='168900'>person.</span> <span m='169300'>Of</span> <span m='169460'>course</span> <span m='169800'>I</span> <span m='169920'>would empathize.</span> </p><p><span m='170140'>J.A.: However,</span> <span m='170730'>the</span> <span m='170820'>story</span> <span m='171070'>that</span> <span m='171220'>will</span> <span m='171330'>follow</span> <span m='172150'>centers</span> <span m='172630'>on</span> <span m='172800'>a</span> <span m='172950'>revelation</span> <span m='173980'>that</span> <span m='174110'>John</span> <span m='174380'>had</span> <span m='175410'>that</span> <span m='175630'>uh,</span> <span m='175930'>began</span> <span m='176830'>just</span> <span m='177170'>as</span> <span m='177250'>he</span> <span m='177350'>was</span> <span m='177450'>about</span> <span m='177710'>to</span> <span m='177800'>start</span> <span m='178160'>his</span> <span m='178210'>summer</span> <span m='178520'>job.</span> </p><p><span m='178830'>J.W.: For</span> <span m='179150'>Con</span> <span m='179430'>Ed,</span> <span m='179685'>I was</span> <span m='179940'>working</span> <span m='180260'>for</span> <span m='180400'>them--</span> </p><p><span m='180800'>J.A.: As</span> <span m='180920'>a</span> <span m='180970'>painter.</span> </p>
<p><span m='181460'>J.W.: --and</span> <span m='181830'>I</span> <span m='181890'>had some</span> <span m='182160'>pictures</span> <span m='182550'>taken</span> <span m='183000'>for</span> <span m='183270'>Con</span> <span m='183630'>Ed--</span> </p><p><span m='183800'>J.A.: These are</span> <span m='184030'>ID</span> <span m='184340'>photos</span> <span m='184520'>that you'd gotten?</span> </p><p><span m='184730'>J.W.: Yeah,</span> <span m='184950'>it was</span> <span m='185160'>an</span> <span m='185240'>ID</span> <span m='185540'>camera</span> <span m='185940'>that</span> <span m='186060'>had</span> <span m='186210'>four</span> <span m='186480'>lenses.</span> <span m='186750'>So</span> <span m='187700'>when</span> <span m='187820'>they</span> <span m='187950'>took</span> <span m='188310'>the</span> <span m='188440'>negative,</span> <span m='188980'>there</span> <span m='189140'>was</span> <span m='189300'>four of</span> <span m='189630'>me,</span> <span m='189820'>boom,</span> <span m='190140'>boom,</span> <span m='190390'>boom,</span> <span m='190630'>boom.</span> </p><p><span m='191130'>J.A.: Like</span> <span m='191490'>little</span> <span m='191740'>squares?</span> </p><p><span m='192010'>J.W.: Little</span> <span m='192220'>squares.</span> <span m='192600'>And I</span> <span m='192700'>remember</span> <span m='193030'>looking</span> <span m='193410'>over</span> <span m='193770'>and,</span> <span m='194480'>and</span> <span m='195250'>going,</span> <span m='196390'>why do</span> <span m='196780'>I look</span> <span m='197170'>so</span> <span m='197280'>weird?</span> <span m='198045'>Why do I</span> <span m='198440'>look</span> <span m='198610'>so</span> <span m='198830'>weird?</span> </p><p><span m='199130'>J.A.: Why</span> <span m='199430'>do I</span> <span m='199860'>look</span> <span m='200353'>so</span> <span m='200846'>weird?</span> </p><p><span m='201340'>J.W.: Why</span> <span m='201792'>do I</span> <span m='202244'>look so</span> <span m='202696'>weird?</span> </p><p><span m='203150'>J.A.: Because</span> <span m='203340'>here's</span> <span m='203500'>the</span> <span m='203580'>thing,</span> <span m='203840'>I</span> <span m='203880'>mean,</span> <span m='204080'>the</span> <span m='204190'>John</span> <span m='204610'>in</span> <span m='204840'>the</span> <span m='205000'>pictures</span> <span m='206210'>was</span> <span m='206380'>not</span> <span m='206680'>the</span> <span m='206800'>John</span> <span m='207215'>that</span> <span m='207630'>he</span> <span m='208200'>knew</span> <span m='208480'>himself</span> <span m='208760'>to</span> <span m='209040'>be.</span> <span m='209940'>That</span> <span m='210190'>John</span> <span m='210550'>was</span> <span m='210740'>kind of</span> <span m='211540'>timid--</span> </p>
<p><span m='211830'>J.W.:</span> <span m='212120'>Nerdy.</span> </p><p><span m='212495'>J.A.:</span> <span m='212870'>--not</span> <span m='213303'>cool.</span> </p><p><span m='213736'>J.W.:</span> <span m='214170'>Why</span> <span m='214410'>do</span> <span m='214520'>I</span> <span m='214600'>look</span> <span m='214780'>so weird</span> <span m='215220'>in</span> <span m='215320'>pictures?</span> <span m='216660'>I</span> <span m='216760'>look</span> <span m='217000'>fine.</span> </p><p><span m='217490'>J.A.: What do</span> <span m='217780'>you</span> <span m='217890'>mean you look</span> <span m='218050'>fine?</span> <span m='218540'>How do</span> <span m='218700'>you</span> <span m='218880'>know</span> <span m='219030'>you look</span> <span m='219280'>fine?</span> </p><p><span m='219610'>J.W.: Well,</span> <span m='220110'>I</span> <span m='220310'>thought</span> <span m='220680'>I</span> <span m='220750'>looked</span> <span m='220930'>fine</span> <span m='221200'>in</span> <span m='221270'>the</span> <span m='221340'>mirror.</span> <span m='221890'>You</span> <span m='221980'>know</span> <span m='222200'>when</span> <span m='222280'>I</span> <span m='222360'>looked</span> <span m='222440'>at</span> <span m='222520'>myself--</span> </p><p><span m='222600'>J.A.: Of</span> <span m='222780'>course,</span> <span m='223050'>in the</span> <span m='223170'>mirror</span> <span m='223590'>things</span> <span m='223970'>on</span> <span m='224050'>the</span> <span m='224150'>left</span> <span m='224560'>go</span> <span m='224670'>to</span> <span m='224760'>the</span> <span m='224860'>right,</span> <span m='225150'>things on the</span> <span m='225470'>right</span> <span m='225900'>go</span> <span m='226040'>to</span> <span m='226130'>the</span> <span m='226240'>left.</span> <span m='226640'>Wait</span> <span m='226990'>a</span> <span m='227060'>second,</span> <span m='227570'>that's</span> <span m='227840'>when</span> <span m='228030'>it</span> <span m='228160'>hit</span> <span m='228390'>him.</span> </p>
<p><span m='229406'>R.K.:</span> <span m='229820'>What--</span> <span m='230250'>what</span> <span m='230400'>hit</span> <span m='230570'>him?</span> </p><p><span m='231442'>J.A.:</span> <span m='231820'>It's</span> <span m='232090'>the</span> <span m='232310'>hair</span> <span m='232560'>part.</span> </p><p><span m='233622'>R.K.:</span> <span m='233990'>It--</span> <span m='234290'>it--</span> <span m='235900'>it's</span> <span m='236120'>the</span> <span m='236210'>what?</span> </p><p><span m='236570'>J.A.:</span> <span m='236930'>It's</span> <span m='237190'>the</span> <span m='237410'>hair</span> <span m='237670'>part.</span> </p><p><span m='238832'>R.K.:</span> <span m='239250'>It's</span> <span m='239480'>the</span> <span m='239620'>what?</span> </p><p><span m='240200'>J.A.: It's</span> <span m='240460'>the</span> <span m='240700'>hair</span> <span m='240940'>part.</span> <span m='241230'>I</span> <span m='241320'>could</span> <span m='241480'>do</span> <span m='241610'>this</span> <span m='241770'>all</span> <span m='241970'>night.</span> <span m='242310'>It's</span> <span m='242700'>the</span> <span m='242910'>hair</span> <span m='243160'>part.</span> </p><p><span m='243450'>R.K.: What does</span> <span m='243610'>that</span> <span m='243680'>mean,</span> <span m='243860'>it's</span> <span m='244200'>the</span> <span m='244350'>hair--</span> <span m='244570'>I</span> <span m='244690'>hear ya,</span> <span m='244960'>I</span> <span m='245230'>here</span> <span m='245630'>ya.</span> <span m='245780'>What is that--</span> <span m='245900'>it's</span> <span m='246080'>the</span> <span m='246770'>hair</span> <span m='247070'>part?</span> </p>
<p><span m='247430'>J.W.: Well,</span> <span m='247690'>in</span> <span m='247840'>the</span> <span m='247910'>picture</span> <span m='248400'>I</span> <span m='248490'>saw</span> <span m='248740'>a</span> <span m='248810'>guy</span> <span m='248990'>with</span> <span m='249140'>a</span> <span m='249220'>right</span> <span m='249400'>hair</span> <span m='249600'>part.</span> <span m='250510'>In</span> <span m='250670'>the</span> <span m='250740'>mirror,</span> <span m='251110'>I seen</span> <span m='251350'>a</span> <span m='251410'>guy with a</span> <span m='251740'>left</span> <span m='251970'>hair</span> <span m='252150'>part.</span> </p><p><span m='252400'>J.A.: Essentially,</span> <span m='253720'>John</span> <span m='254055'>had--</span> </p>
<p><span m='254390'>R.K.: Wait, wait--</span> <span m='254770'>which--</span> <span m='255220'>which</span> <span m='255460'>part--</span> <span m='255670'>which</span> <span m='255850'>side</span> <span m='256120'>is</span> <span m='256190'>my</span> <span m='256310'>hair</span> <span m='256510'>parted</span> <span m='256740'>on?</span> <span m='256839'>Is</span> <span m='256950'>this--</span> </p><p><span m='257100'>J.A.: Your</span> <span m='257240'>left.</span> <span m='257850'>You're</span> <span m='258019'>left.</span> </p>
<p><span m='258160'>R.K.: My</span> <span m='258230'>left,</span> <span m='258570'>OK.</span> </p><p><span m='258750'>J.A.: And John</span> <span m='259060'>thought</span> <span m='259420'>he</span> <span m='259579'>was</span> <span m='259690'>a</span> <span m='259740'>lefty</span> <span m='260079'>too.</span> <span m='260500'>He</span> <span m='260680'>would</span> <span m='260820'>stand</span> <span m='261089'>in</span> <span m='261149'>front of</span> <span m='261250'>the</span> <span m='261360'>mirror</span> <span m='261649'>and</span> <span m='261800'>the</span> <span m='261870'>mirror</span> <span m='262140'>would</span> <span m='262310'>tell</span> <span m='262560'>him</span> <span m='262760'>he</span> <span m='262870'>was</span> <span m='262990'>putting</span> <span m='263400'>it</span> <span m='263530'>to</span> <span m='264030'>the</span> <span m='264230'>left.</span> <span m='264690'>But</span> <span m='264920'>in</span> <span m='264990'>fact,</span> <span m='265390'>he</span> <span m='265540'>was</span> <span m='265720'>parting</span> <span m='266110'>it</span> <span m='266260'>to</span> <span m='266420'>the</span> <span m='266530'>right</span> <span m='266920'>in</span> <span m='267130'>real</span> <span m='267370'>life.</span> <span m='267630'>Now</span> <span m='267720'>the</span> <span m='267810'>lefty</span> <span m='268220'>guy</span> <span m='268410'>in</span> <span m='268510'>the</span> <span m='268570'>mirror,</span> <span m='268690'>he</span> <span m='269740'>liked</span> <span m='270020'>that</span> <span m='270230'>guy.</span> </p><p><span m='270490'>J.W.: I was</span> <span m='270650'>fine</span> <span m='270900'>with</span> <span m='270990'>that</span> <span m='271160'>guy,</span> <span m='271320'>he</span> <span m='271420'>was</span> <span m='271590'>cool.</span> <span m='271880'>He</span> <span m='272060'>was--</span> <span m='272290'>there was</span> <span m='272530'>nothing</span> <span m='272790'>wrong</span> <span m='272980'>with</span> <span m='273110'>him.</span> </p><p><span m='273750'>J.A.: But</span> <span m='273870'>he</span> <span m='273950'>realized,</span> <span m='274620'>he</span> <span m='275000'>was</span> <span m='275140'>the</span> <span m='275320'>only</span> <span m='275710'>person</span> <span m='276240'>seeing</span> <span m='276790'>that</span> <span m='277080'>guy.</span> <span m='277760'>So</span> <span m='277970'>he</span> <span m='278060'>thought--</span> </p><p><span m='278520'>J.W.: Oh,</span> <span m='279220'>let</span> <span m='279600'>me</span> <span m='279830'>put</span> <span m='280150'>my</span> <span m='280260'>hair</span> <span m='280570'>on</span> <span m='280710'>the</span> <span m='280790'>other</span> <span m='280950'>side.</span> </p><p><span m='281290'>J.A.: Let</span> <span m='281390'>me</span> <span m='281510'>essentially</span> <span m='282180'>swap</span> <span m='283150'>real</span> <span m='283670'>me</span> <span m='284400'>for</span> <span m='284640'>mirror</span> <span m='284980'>me.</span> </p><p><span m='285320'>J.W.: It</span> <span m='285610'>was</span> <span m='285850'>one</span> <span m='286010'>of</span> <span m='286070'>these</span> <span m='286210'>things</span> <span m='286490'>where</span> <span m='286640'>yeah,</span> <span m='286940'>that</span> <span m='287110'>looks</span> <span m='287300'>really</span> <span m='287610'>weird</span> <span m='287880'>in</span> <span m='287950'>the</span> <span m='288020'>mirror,</span> <span m='288360'>but</span> <span m='288710'>I</span> <span m='288780'>bet</span> <span m='289040'>you it</span> <span m='289190'>looks</span> <span m='289440'>good</span> <span m='289630'>in</span> <span m='289770'>real</span> <span m='289900'>life.</span> <span m='290430'>Let</span> <span m='290880'>me</span> <span m='290980'>go</span> <span m='291230'>find</span> <span m='291550'>out.</span> </p><p><span m='292440'>J.A.: So what</span> <span m='292610'>did you</span> <span m='293030'>do?</span> </p><p><span m='293300'>J.W.: Well,</span> <span m='293770'>that</span> <span m='294040'>night--</span> </p><p><span m='297460'>J.A.: He goes</span> <span m='298240'>back</span> <span m='298600'>to</span> <span m='298910'>the</span> <span m='299060'>aqueduct.</span> <span m='299270'>Same</span> <span m='299820'>posse's</span> <span m='300390'>there</span> <span m='300660'>as</span> <span m='300900'>before.</span> </p><p><span m='301270'>J.W.: I mean,</span> <span m='301410'>that</span> <span m='301710'>same</span> <span m='302000'>group,</span> <span m='302340'>interesting</span> <span m='302490'>enough,</span> <span m='303145'>had</span> <span m='303460'>beat</span> <span m='303770'>the</span> <span m='303860'>crap</span> <span m='304290'>out</span> <span m='304450'>of</span> <span m='304510'>me</span> <span m='304650'>like</span> <span m='305040'>three</span> <span m='305160'>years</span> <span m='305490'>earlier,</span> <span m='305880'>when</span> <span m='306020'>I</span> <span m='306100'>was in</span> <span m='306310'>like</span> <span m='306480'>ninth</span> <span m='306780'>grade.</span> </p>
<p><span m='307270'>J.A.: But there</span> <span m='307730'>he</span> <span m='307830'>was</span> <span m='308220'>now</span> <span m='308480'>with</span> <span m='308680'>his</span> <span m='308850'>hair</span> <span m='309180'>parted</span> <span m='309610'>on</span> <span m='309770'>the</span> <span m='309850'>left.</span> </p><p><span m='310120'>R.K.: Oh</span> <span m='310290'>no.</span> </p><p><span m='310460'>J.A.: He says,</span> <span m='310640'>this</span> <span m='310950'>time--</span> </p><p><span m='311340'>J.W.: Things</span> <span m='311500'>were</span> <span m='311600'>different.</span> </p><p><span m='312000'>J.A.: --somebody</span> <span m='312930'>offered</span> <span m='313240'>him</span> <span m='313330'>a</span> <span m='313410'>beer.</span> <span m='313680'>It</span> <span m='313770'>was</span> <span m='313900'>like,</span> <span m='314050'>wow.</span> <span m='314600'>But</span> <span m='314900'>the</span> <span m='315020'>thing</span> <span m='315410'>that</span> <span m='315540'>I</span> <span m='315640'>knew</span> <span m='316240'>made</span> <span m='316590'>it</span> <span m='316740'>better</span> <span m='317790'>was</span> <span m='317980'>when</span> <span m='318120'>I</span> <span m='318220'>left,</span> <span m='319900'>I</span> <span m='320170'>got</span> <span m='320330'>goodbyes.</span> <span m='324470'>C'mon, c'mon--</span> <span m='325490'>God,</span> <span m='325800'>for</span> <span m='325860'>the</span> <span m='325940'>first</span> <span m='326330'>time</span> <span m='326420'>I'm</span> <span m='326500'>not--</span> </p><p><span m='326960'>R.K.:</span> <span m='327270'>This</span> <span m='327470'>is</span> <span m='327660'>ridiculous</span> <span m='328410'>that</span> <span m='328530'>you</span> <span m='328650'>would</span> <span m='328760'>tell</span> <span m='328960'>me</span> <span m='329090'>a</span> <span m='329170'>story</span> <span m='329460'>about</span> <span m='329690'>a</span> <span m='330025'>man</span> <span m='330360'>who</span> <span m='330590'>is</span> <span m='330790'>having</span> <span m='331120'>social</span> <span m='331650'>failures</span> <span m='332040'>universally,</span> <span m='332700'>shifts</span> <span m='332975'>his</span> <span m='333250'>hair</span> <span m='333400'>over</span> <span m='334030'>and</span> <span m='334410'>is</span> <span m='334790'>remade.</span> <span m='335340'>This</span> <span m='335510'>is</span> <span m='335680'>like--</span> </p><p><span m='335860'>J.A.: Look, it's</span> <span m='336040'>his</span> <span m='336260'>experience,</span> <span m='336595'>this</span> <span m='336930'>is</span> <span m='337180'>very--</span> </p>
<p><span m='337440'>R.K.: Vidal</span> <span m='337780'>Sassoon</span> <span m='338050'>would</span> <span m='338315'>uh--</span> </p><p><span m='338580'>J.A.: --this is very</span> <span m='339000'>easy</span> <span m='339700'>to</span> <span m='339850'>dismiss.</span> </p>
<p><span m='340175'>R.K.:</span> <span m='340500'>Yes, very easy.</span> </p><p><span m='340640'>J.A.: But</span> <span m='340860'>I'm</span> <span m='341060'>going to</span> <span m='341190'>win you</span> <span m='341290'>over.</span> <span m='341710'>Are</span> <span m='341900'>you</span> <span m='342010'>ready?</span> <span m='342290'>I'm</span> <span m='342380'>going to</span> <span m='342530'>win</span> <span m='342670'>you</span> <span m='342780'>over.</span> </p><p><span m='343130'>R.K.: You're</span> <span m='343340'>not--</span> </p>
<p><span m='343550'>J.A.:</span> <span m='343750'>Ready for this?</span> <span m='343850'>I</span> <span m='343950'>don't</span> <span m='344090'>think</span> <span m='344220'>you're</span> <span m='344320'>ready.</span> <span m='345340'>Are</span> <span m='345470'>you</span> <span m='345560'>ready?</span> </p><p><span m='346530'>R.K.: Are</span> <span m='346640'>you</span> <span m='346810'>asking</span> <span m='347240'>me</span> <span m='347350'>to</span> <span m='347450'>be</span> <span m='347660'>broad</span> <span m='347990'>minded?</span> </p><p><span m='348050'>J.A.: 'Cause</span> <span m='348180'>I'm</span> <span m='348370'>gonna--</span> <span m='348580'>I'm gonna</span> <span m='348640'>show</span> <span m='348840'>you</span> <span m='348950'>a</span> <span m='349010'>picture</span> <span m='349330'>right</span> <span m='349500'>now.</span> <span m='349880'>All right.</span> <span m='350226'>OK,</span> <span m='350920'>have</span> <span m='351140'>a</span> <span m='351220'>look</span> <span m='352120'>at--</span> </p><p><span m='352410'>R.K.:</span> <span m='352700'>OK.</span> <span m='353650'>At--</span> </p>
<p><span m='353980'>J.A.:</span> <span m='354310'>Who is</span> <span m='354500'>that?</span> </p><p><span m='355200'>R.K.:</span> <span m='355560'>It's</span> <span m='355800'>Abraham</span> <span m='355960'>Lincoln.</span> </p><p><span m='356190'>J.A.:</span> <span m='356550'>Our</span> <span m='356690'>16th</span> <span m='357270'>president?</span> <span m='357480'>Yes, our 16th president.</span> <span m='357640'>Now</span> <span m='358140'>just</span> <span m='358250'>stare</span> <span m='358290'>at</span> <span m='358510'>him</span> <span m='358650'>Robert,</span> <span m='358900'>take</span> <span m='359110'>him</span> <span m='359390'>in,</span> <span m='359640'>take</span> <span m='359910'>him deep</span> <span m='360130'>into</span> <span m='360260'>your</span> <span m='360380'>consciousness.</span> </p><p><span m='360776'>R.K.:</span> <span m='361172'>All right.</span> </p><p><span m='361570'>J.A.: His</span> <span m='361975'>eyes,</span> <span m='362380'>his</span> <span m='362680'>note,</span> <span m='362980'>his</span> <span m='363330'>mouth.</span> <span m='363930'>Pay</span> <span m='364300'>attention</span> <span m='364860'>particularly</span> <span m='365350'>to</span> <span m='365480'>the</span> <span m='365550'>hair</span> <span m='365940'>part.</span> <span m='366960'>OK?</span> <span m='367680'>Now,</span> <span m='368440'>look</span> <span m='368630'>what</span> <span m='368730'>happens</span> <span m='369290'>when</span> <span m='369460'>you</span> <span m='369570'>flip</span> <span m='370750'>Abraham</span> <span m='371360'>[LAUGHTER]</span> </p><p><span m='374984'>R.K.:</span> <span m='375440'>Oh,</span> <span m='375720'>that--</span> </p><p><span m='376940'>J.A.:</span> <span m='377410'>You see</span> <span m='377880'>what</span> <span m='378036'>happens</span> <span m='378193'>there.</span> </p><p><span m='378350'>R.K.: --no,</span> <span m='378670'>no,</span> <span m='378840'>no,</span> <span m='379000'>no,</span> <span m='379140'>no,</span> <span m='379260'>no,</span> <span m='379400'>no,</span> <span m='379570'>is</span> <span m='379700'>this</span> <span m='380130'>the</span> <span m='380230'>same</span> <span m='380540'>picture?</span> </p><p><span m='380845'>J.A.:</span> <span m='381150'>It's the</span> <span m='381630'>same picture.</span> </p><p><span m='381780'>R.K.: Go back</span> <span m='382040'>to</span> <span m='382160'>the</span> <span m='382280'>other</span> <span m='382490'>picture.</span> <span m='383000'>Go.</span> </p><p><span m='383410'>J.A.: All</span> <span m='383735'>right.</span> <span m='384060'>There's</span> <span m='384270'>Able.</span> </p><p><span m='384550'>R.K.:</span> <span m='384830'>Now</span> <span m='385050'>do</span> <span m='385170'>the</span> <span m='385260'>other</span> <span m='385470'>one.</span> <span m='386070'></span> <span m='386405'>Uhh!</span> </p><p><span m='386740'>J.A.: Do you</span> <span m='386900'>see?</span> </p>
<p><span m='387350'>R.K.:</span> <span m='387800'>That</span> <span m='388250'>so</span> <span m='388560'>weird.</span> </p><p><span m='388870'>J.A.: Now, here's</span> <span m='389090'>the</span> <span m='389180'>thing.</span> <span m='389710'>This</span> <span m='390130'>is</span> <span m='390270'>what</span> <span m='390480'>Abraham</span> <span m='390960'>Lincoln</span> <span m='391330'>would</span> <span m='391470'>have</span> <span m='391820'>seen</span> <span m='392170'>when</span> <span m='392310'>he</span> <span m='392440'>looked</span> <span m='392650'>in</span> <span m='392830'>the</span> <span m='393150'>mirror.</span> <span m='394020'>He</span> <span m='394200'>would</span> <span m='394300'>have</span> <span m='394390'>seen</span> <span m='394680'>this</span> <span m='394950'>guy,</span> <span m='395270'>not</span> <span m='395520'>the</span> <span m='395660'>other</span> <span m='395910'>guy,</span> <span m='396400'>the</span> <span m='396490'>one</span> <span m='396680'>we</span> <span m='396830'>all</span> <span m='397185'>see.</span> </p>
<p><span m='397540'>R.K.: Huh.</span> </p><p><span m='398040'>J.A.:</span> <span m='398540'>So</span> <span m='398660'>there's</span> <span m='398820'>something</span> <span m='399110'>going</span> <span m='399260'>on</span> <span m='399410'>here.</span> <span m='399640'>Would</span> <span m='399770'>you</span> <span m='399860'>not</span> <span m='400290'>at</span> <span m='400430'>least</span> <span m='400760'>acknowledge</span> <span m='401220'>me that.</span> </p><p><span m='401390'>R.K.: I find</span> <span m='401680'>this vaguely plausible, yes.</span> </p><p><span m='401800'>J.A.: There's</span> <span m='402020'>something</span> <span m='402380'>going</span> <span m='402780'>on</span> <span m='402920'>here.</span> <span m='403570'>OK.</span> <span m='404550'>With</span> <span m='404740'>your</span> <span m='404980'>permission,</span> <span m='405580'>Mr.</span> <span m='405850'>Cynic,</span> <span m='406710'>I</span> <span m='406940'>will</span> <span m='407100'>now</span> <span m='407310'>rejoin</span> <span m='407980'>John--</span> </p><p><span m='408335'>R.K.: Who's</span> <span m='408690'>about</span> <span m='408930'>to</span> <span m='409225'>what?</span> <span m='409520'>Get</span> <span m='409800'>married</span> <span m='409990'>and</span> <span m='410200'>have</span> <span m='410540'>three</span> <span m='410750'>babies</span> <span m='411220'>'cause</span> <span m='411410'>his</span> <span m='411520'>hair</span> <span m='411740'>is--</span> </p>
<p><span m='411880'>J.A.: He says</span> <span m='412360'>after,</span> <span m='413940'>after</span> <span m='414100'>he</span> <span m='414480'>switched</span> <span m='414750'>his</span> <span m='414930'>part--</span> </p>
<p><span m='415430'>J.W.: It</span> <span m='415620'>just</span> <span m='415810'>kept</span> <span m='415990'>getting</span> <span m='416230'>better</span> <span m='416530'>and</span> <span m='416690'>better</span> <span m='416920'>and</span> <span m='417020'>better</span> <span m='417270'>all</span> <span m='417520'>summer</span> <span m='417820'>long.</span> </p>
<p><span m='418150'>J.A.: --he</span> <span m='418230'>was</span> <span m='418390'>suddenly</span> <span m='418730'>invited</span> <span m='419150'>to</span> <span m='419240'>all</span> <span m='419480'>these</span> <span m='419700'>parties</span> <span m='420200'>by the</span> <span m='420510'>very</span> <span m='420620'>same</span> <span m='420820'>people</span> <span m='421040'>who used</span> <span m='421250'>to</span> <span m='421450'>beat him</span> <span m='421570'>up.</span> <span m='421820'>And for</span> <span m='422110'>the</span> <span m='422200'>first</span> <span m='422500'>time</span> <span m='422810'>he</span> <span m='422910'>says--</span> </p><p><span m='423140'>J.W.: I</span> <span m='423180'>was</span> <span m='423380'>clearly</span> <span m='423900'>one</span> <span m='424100'>of</span> <span m='424210'>them.</span> </p><p><span m='424440'>J.A.: Now</span> <span m='424540'>whether</span> <span m='424760'>or</span> <span m='424850'>not</span> <span m='424990'>you</span> <span m='425070'>buy</span> <span m='425510'>that</span> <span m='425650'>this</span> <span m='425870'>is</span> <span m='425980'>in</span> <span m='426070'>fact</span> <span m='426330'>because</span> <span m='426600'>of his hair,</span> <span m='427100'>that's</span> <span m='427290'>on</span> <span m='427440'>you.</span> <span m='427790'>OK.</span> <span m='428270'>But let's</span> <span m='428540'>fast</span> <span m='428810'>forward</span> <span m='429110'>just</span> <span m='429500'>a</span> <span m='429560'>little</span> <span m='429770'>bit.</span> </p><p><span m='429940'>J.W.: The</span> <span m='430050'>next</span> <span m='430360'>summer--</span> </p>
<p><span m='430660'>J.A.:</span> <span m='430960'>this</span> <span m='431150'>would</span> <span m='431320'>have been</span> <span m='431520'>1979?</span> </p><p><span m='432040'>J.W.:</span> <span m='432800'>--yeah,</span> <span m='432990'>1979.</span> </p><p><span m='434270'>J.A.: John's</span> <span m='434590'>sitting</span> <span m='434860'>in front</span> <span m='434970'>of</span> <span m='435030'>the</span> <span m='435120'>TV</span> <span m='435520'>and</span> <span m='435630'>on</span> <span m='435860'>comes--</span> <span m='436165'></span> <span m='436470'>Good</span> <span m='436610'>evening.</span> <span m='438530'>This</span> <span m='438670'>is</span> <span m='438780'>a</span> <span m='438840'>special</span> <span m='439200'>night</span> <span m='439500'>for me.</span> <span m='439590'></span> <span m='440030'>--the</span> <span m='440170'>president--</span> </p><p><span m='440670'>J.W.: Jimmy</span> <span m='440930'>Carter</span> </p><p><span m='441490'>J.A.: --making</span> <span m='441780'>a</span> <span m='441810'>speech</span> <span m='442230'>about</span> <span m='442430'>how</span> <span m='442700'>our</span> <span m='442880'>nation</span> <span m='443185'>is</span> <span m='443490'>in</span> <span m='443620'>a</span> <span m='443760'>deep</span> <span m='444240'>funk.</span> <span m='444470'></span> <span m='444810'>Why have</span> <span m='445075'>we</span> <span m='445340'>not</span> <span m='445700'>been</span> <span m='446020'>able</span> <span m='446410'>to</span> <span m='446480'>get</span> <span m='446670'>together</span> <span m='447340'>as</span> <span m='447510'>a</span> <span m='447810'>nation</span> <span m='448185'>to</span> <span m='448560'>resolve</span> <span m='449190'>our</span> <span m='449410'>serious</span> <span m='450030'>energy</span> <span m='450250'>problem?</span> <span m='450555'></span> <span m='450860'>The</span> <span m='450960'>malaise</span> <span m='451892'>speech.</span> <span m='452360'>You</span> <span m='452450'>know,</span> <span m='452650'>that,</span> <span m='453000'>that</span> <span m='453350'>infamous</span> <span m='453710'>the</span> <span m='454070'>country's</span> <span m='454440'>in</span> <span m='454590'>malaise.</span> <span m='454690'></span> <span m='455015'>It's</span> <span m='455340'>clear</span> <span m='456080'>that</span> <span m='456220'>the</span> <span m='456400'>true</span> <span m='456910'>problems</span> <span m='457650'>of</span> <span m='457850'>our</span> <span m='458060'>nation</span> <span m='459340'>are</span> <span m='459520'>much</span> <span m='460110'>deeper,</span> <span m='461570'>deeper</span> <span m='462540'>than</span> <span m='462700'>gasoline</span> <span m='463280'>lines</span> <span m='463700'>or</span> <span m='463820'>energy</span> <span m='464200'>shortages.</span> <span m='464880'>Deeper</span> <span m='465710'>even</span> <span m='466490'>than</span> <span m='466610'>inflation</span> <span m='467140'>or</span> <span m='467330'>recession.</span> <span m='467700'></span> <span m='468070'>Now,</span> <span m='468230'>as</span> <span m='468370'>you</span> <span m='468490'>know,</span> <span m='468660'>I'm</span> <span m='468740'>sure</span> <span m='468920'>you</span> <span m='469030'>remember,</span> <span m='469800'>a</span> <span m='469900'>lot</span> <span m='470070'>of</span> <span m='470150'>people</span> <span m='470410'>would</span> <span m='470520'>criticize</span> <span m='471070'>Jimmy</span> <span m='471280'>Carter</span> <span m='471510'>for</span> <span m='471640'>making</span> <span m='471900'>the</span> <span m='471980'>speech</span> <span m='472720'>because</span> <span m='473160'>he's</span> <span m='473360'>up</span> <span m='473540'>there</span> <span m='473760'>admitting</span> <span m='474170'>flaws</span> <span m='474720'>and</span> <span m='474860'>they</span> <span m='474920'>were</span> <span m='475000'>like,</span> <span m='475200'>come</span> <span m='475400'>on</span> <span m='475620'>Mr.</span> <span m='475830'>President,</span> <span m='476190'>don't</span> <span m='476400'>be</span> <span m='476560'>weak,</span> <span m='476810'>man</span> <span m='477140'>up.</span> <span m='478560'>John,</span> <span m='478835'>meanwhile,</span> <span m='479830'>is</span> <span m='479960'>sitting</span> <span m='480210'>in</span> <span m='480330'>front</span> <span m='480500'>of</span> <span m='480560'>the</span> <span m='480650'>TV</span> <span m='481050'>and</span> <span m='481180'>he's</span> <span m='481400'>thinking--</span> </p><p><span m='482295'>J.W.:</span> <span m='482720'>Dude,</span> <span m='483020'>you</span> <span m='483150'>gotta</span> <span m='483370'>change</span> <span m='483690'>your</span> <span m='483780'>hair</span> <span m='483990'>part.</span> <span m='484901'>[LAUGHTER]</span> <span m='486705'>And</span> <span m='487160'>so</span> <span m='487400'>I</span> <span m='487490'>wrote</span> <span m='487720'>him.</span> <span m='487995'>I wrote--</span> </p><p><span m='488270'>J.A.: You</span> <span m='488560'>wrote</span> <span m='488950'>to</span> <span m='489120'>him?</span> </p><p><span m='489260'>J.W.: I</span> <span m='489600'>wrote</span> <span m='489740'>to him.</span> </p><p><span m='490110'>J.A.: Wait,</span> <span m='490480'>wait,</span> <span m='490840'>so you said--</span> <span m='491200'>wait,</span> <span m='491470'>what--</span> <span m='491740'>what--</span> <span m='491830'>why?</span> </p><p><span m='492010'>J.W.:</span> <span m='492150'>I,</span> <span m='492320'>I,</span> <span m='492780'>I</span> <span m='493410'>think</span> <span m='493680'>I</span> <span m='493760'>just</span> <span m='494030'>said</span> <span m='494200'>I</span> <span m='494370'>think</span> <span m='494620'>you</span> <span m='494690'>should</span> <span m='494860'>change your</span> <span m='495240'>hair.</span> <span m='495680'>Part</span> <span m='495980'>it</span> <span m='496140'>on</span> <span m='496440'>the</span> <span m='496520'>left.</span> <span m='496890'>I</span> <span m='496970'>did</span> <span m='497220'>myself,</span> <span m='497750'>and</span> <span m='497850'>then</span> <span m='498090'>found</span> <span m='498340'>it</span> <span m='498410'>to</span> <span m='498500'>be</span> <span m='498620'>much</span> <span m='498890'>more</span> <span m='499090'>powerful,</span> <span m='499570'>much--</span> <span m='499890'>much</span> <span m='500230'>more</span> <span m='500650'>successful.</span> <span m='501420'>And</span> <span m='501760'>um--</span> </p><p><span m='502070'>J.A.: Do</span> <span m='502250'>you</span> <span m='502570'>have that</span> <span m='502850'>letter?</span> </p><p><span m='503115'>J.W.: --I so</span> <span m='503380'>wish</span> <span m='503590'>I</span> <span m='503660'>did.</span> </p><p><span m='504160'>J.A.: Oh man.</span> </p><p><span m='504320'>J.W.: I don't</span> <span m='504510'>have</span> <span m='504720'>it.</span> <span m='504980'>Umm,</span> <span m='505790'>and</span> <span m='505960'>then</span> <span m='506070'>about</span> <span m='506470'>six</span> <span m='506760'>weeks</span> <span m='507000'>later,</span> <span m='507220'>boom,</span> <span m='507620'>he's</span> <span m='507955'>switched.</span> </p><p><span m='508290'>J.A.: He</span> <span m='508675'>switched.</span> </p><p><span m='509060'>R.K.: No</span> <span m='509430'>he did not.</span> </p><p><span m='509690'>J.A.: John</span> <span m='510010'>wrote</span> <span m='510300'>him</span> <span m='510440'>a</span> <span m='510520'>letter</span> <span m='511120'>and</span> <span m='511290'>President</span> <span m='511730'>Carter</span> <span m='512250'>switched.</span> </p><p><span m='512500'>R.K.: No.</span> </p><p><span m='512789'>J.A.: It--</span> <span m='513000'>it</span> <span m='513110'>might</span> <span m='513320'>not</span> <span m='513450'>have</span> <span m='513549'>been</span> <span m='513600'>John's</span> <span m='513930'>letter that did it.</span> </p><p><span m='514260'>R.K.: You have</span> <span m='514669'>no</span> <span m='514890'>evidence--</span> </p><p><span m='515190'>J.A.:</span> <span m='515220'>Think</span> <span m='515380'>about</span> <span m='515590'>how</span> <span m='515780'>much</span> <span m='516179'>I--</span> <span m='516409'>I--</span> <span m='516549'>what--</span> <span m='516890'>what's</span> <span m='517100'>involved</span> <span m='517539'>in</span> <span m='517650'>a</span> <span m='517710'>President</span> <span m='518270'>switching</span> <span m='518630'>his</span> <span m='518710'>hair.</span> <span m='519030'>There are</span> <span m='519200'>focus</span> <span m='519659'>groups,</span> <span m='520299'>there are</span> <span m='520580'>prayer</span> <span m='520950'>meetings,</span> <span m='521799'>there's</span> <span m='522010'>so</span> <span m='522400'>much</span> <span m='522720'>thought</span> <span m='522809'>that</span> <span m='523079'>goes</span> <span m='523350'>into</span> <span m='523500'>this.</span> </p><p><span m='523669'>R.K.: Did</span> <span m='523960'>anyone</span> <span m='524370'>actually</span> <span m='524720'>record</span> <span m='525210'>this,</span> <span m='525510'>uh--</span> </p><p><span m='525870'>J.A.:</span> <span m='526230'>Yes.</span> </p>
<p><span m='526650'>R.K.: They</span> <span m='526780'>did?</span> </p>
<p><span m='527190'>J.A.: I</span> <span m='527320'>will,</span> <span m='527560'>I</span> <span m='527660'>will</span> <span m='527890'>now</span> <span m='528180'>read</span> <span m='528470'>you</span> <span m='528630'>a</span> <span m='528790'>journalistic</span> <span m='529540'>account</span> <span m='529930'>from</span> <span m='530170'>no--</span> <span m='530930'>no--</span> <span m='531150'>a--</span> <span m='531620'>a</span> <span m='531660'>periodical--</span> <span m='532900'>there</span> <span m='533040'>you</span> <span m='533110'>go--</span> <span m='533360'>Washington</span> <span m='533655'>Post.</span> <span m='534270'>Right</span> <span m='534600'>there.</span> <span m='535380'>You</span> <span m='535500'>see?</span> <span m='535930'>Bam,</span> <span m='536500'>right</span> <span m='536690'>there.</span> </p>
<p><span m='537020'>R.K.: Oh</span> <span m='537490'>man.</span> </p>
<p><span m='538465'>J.A.:</span> <span m='538730'>Newsweek,</span> <span m='539600'>May</span> <span m='539890'>7,</span> <span m='540630'>1979.</span> <span m='541460'>&quot;At</span> <span m='541570'>first</span> <span m='541830'>photographers</span> <span m='542420'>thought</span> <span m='542690'>they</span> <span m='542810'>had</span> <span m='543010'>their</span> <span m='543140'>negatives</span> <span m='543580'>reversed.</span> <span m='544010'>But</span> <span m='544220'>no,</span> <span m='544720'>Jimmy</span> <span m='545140'>Carter</span> <span m='545520'>has</span> <span m='545720'>changed</span> <span m='546090'>the part</span> <span m='546350'>in his</span> <span m='546610'>hair</span> <span m='546800'>from</span> <span m='546970'>the</span> <span m='547070'>right</span> <span m='547340'>side</span> <span m='547890'>to</span> <span m='548090'>the</span> <span m='548250'>left.</span> <span m='548950'>The</span> <span m='549060'>Washington</span> <span m='549610'>press</span> <span m='549910'>corps</span> <span m='550110'>demanded</span> <span m='551060'>an</span> <span m='551210'>explanation.&quot;</span> </p><p><span m='551480'>R.K.: But--</span> <span m='554260'>remember--</span> </p><p><span m='554745'>J.A.: Music.</span> </p><p><span m='555230'>R.K.: --that,</span> <span m='555650'>you</span> <span m='555740'>know,</span> <span m='555960'>as</span> <span m='556130'>opposed</span> <span m='556480'>to</span> <span m='556590'>John</span> <span m='557140'>who</span> <span m='557470'>changes</span> <span m='557740'>his</span> <span m='558010'>hair</span> <span m='558220'>and</span> <span m='558310'>then</span> <span m='558380'>all the</span> <span m='558635'>girls</span> <span m='558890'>give him</span> <span m='559150'>beers,</span> <span m='559690'>this</span> <span m='560070'>guy,</span> <span m='560610'>he</span> <span m='560860'>was</span> <span m='561000'>running</span> <span m='561320'>against</span> <span m='561710'>a</span> <span m='561870'>luxuriantly</span> <span m='562690'>haired</span> <span m='563320'>man,--</span> </p><p><span m='563910'>J.A.: True.</span> </p><p><span m='564290'>R.K.: --the</span> <span m='564540'>Reagan.</span> <span m='565410'>And</span> <span m='565830'>it</span> <span m='566060'>didn't</span> <span m='566360'>matter--</span> </p><p><span m='566630'>J.A.: OK,</span> <span m='566830'>right</span> <span m='566970'>fine,</span> <span m='567070'>fine.</span> </p>
<p><span m='567260'>R.K.: So</span> <span m='567390'>he</span> <span m='567670'>just--</span> <span m='567890'>you</span> <span m='568040'>know</span> <span m='568190'>he</span> <span m='568350'>got</span> <span m='568610'>crushed.</span> </p><p><span m='568800'>J.A.: Alright. You know what,</span> <span m='568860'>forget--</span> </p><p><span m='569080'>R.K.:</span> <span m='569210'>Part</span> <span m='569860'>shmart, you know.</span> </p>
<p><span m='570280'>J.A.:</span> <span m='570480'>--forget</span> <span m='570700'>the</span> <span m='570800'>executive</span> <span m='571290'>branch.</span> </p><p><span m='571680'>R.K.: Yes.</span> </p><p><span m='572060'>J.A.: Stay with</span> <span m='572320'>me</span> <span m='572420'>now.</span> <span m='573240'>I</span> <span m='573320'>was</span> <span m='573500'>with</span> <span m='573700'>John</span> <span m='574030'>and</span> <span m='574190'>he</span> <span m='574280'>was</span> <span m='574390'>showing</span> <span m='574770'>me,</span> <span m='574990'>uh,</span> <span m='575270'>pictures</span> <span m='575890'>of</span> <span m='576020'>congressmen</span> <span m='576580'>and</span> <span m='576730'>of</span> <span m='576820'>celebrities.</span> <span m='577430'>And</span> <span m='577830'>uh,</span> <span m='577960'>I</span> <span m='578150'>noticed</span> <span m='578570'>something</span> <span m='579050'>peeking</span> <span m='579340'>out</span> <span m='579760'>at</span> <span m='579850'>the</span> <span m='579940'>bottom</span> <span m='580360'>of</span> <span m='580520'>the</span> <span m='580650'>pile.</span> <span m='581230'>I</span> <span m='581300'>see</span> <span m='581570'>peeking</span> <span m='582020'>out</span> <span m='582230'>underneath</span> <span m='582810'>the</span> <span m='582950'>stack</span> <span m='583260'>of</span> <span m='583350'>photos</span> <span m='583760'>was</span> <span m='583920'>a</span> <span m='584030'>Superman.</span> </p><p><span m='584690'>J.W.:</span> <span m='585090'>Yeah.</span> </p><p><span m='586254'>J.A.:</span> <span m='586686'>He</span> <span m='587120'>showed</span> <span m='587330'>me</span> <span m='587450'>a</span> <span m='587500'>picture of</span> <span m='587860'>Superman,</span> <span m='588770'>looking</span> <span m='589070'>mighty</span> <span m='589420'>in his</span> <span m='589866'>Superman</span> <span m='590312'>suit.</span> <span m='590760'>Notice</span> <span m='591500'>how he</span> <span m='591830'>parts</span> <span m='592270'>his hair.</span> </p><p><span m='592480'>R.K.: Yeah,</span> <span m='592630'>it's</span> <span m='592890'>a</span> <span m='592950'>little</span> <span m='593100'>bit</span> <span m='593280'>on</span> <span m='593390'>there,</span> <span m='593890'>on</span> <span m='594110'>that</span> <span m='594310'>side,</span> <span m='594680'>yeah.</span> </p>
<p><span m='594940'>J.A.:</span> <span m='595200'>Now--</span> </p><p><span m='595670'>J.W.: This</span> <span m='595900'>is</span> <span m='596020'>Clark</span> <span m='596510'>Kent</span> <span m='598500'>with</span> <span m='598710'>it</span> <span m='599160'>on the right.</span> </p><p><span m='599610'>R.K.: Ohhhh.</span> </p><p><span m='600060'>J.A.:</span> <span m='600510'>And</span> <span m='600960'>as</span> <span m='601190'>we</span> <span m='601270'>know</span> <span m='601520'>from</span> <span m='601960'>the</span> <span m='602030'>movies,</span> <span m='602490'>Clark</span> <span m='602820'>Kent</span> <span m='603205'>is--</span> </p><p><span m='603590'>J.W.: Fumbling,</span> <span m='604416'>he's</span> <span m='604830'>sort</span> <span m='605000'>of</span> <span m='605080'>a</span> <span m='605450'>dork.</span> </p><p><span m='605740'>[AUDIO  PLAYBACK -- SCENE FROM SUPERMAN]</span> </p><p><span m='606110'>-I--</span> <span m='606260'>I mean</span> <span m='606400'>I</span> <span m='606660'>was,</span> <span m='607080'>uh,</span> <span m='607210'>at</span> <span m='607490'>first</span> <span m='608010'>really</span> <span m='608470'>nervous</span> <span m='608850'>about</span> <span m='609100'>tonight.</span> </p><p><span m='609225'>[END ]</span> </p><p><span m='609350'>J.A.:</span> <span m='609850'>So</span> <span m='610470'>somebody--</span> </p><p><span m='610930'>[AUDIO  PLAYBACK -- SCENE FROM SUPERMAN]</span> </p><p><span m='610991'>-uh,</span> <span m='611052'>but</span> <span m='611175'>then</span> <span m='611297'>I--</span> </p><p><span m='611420'>[END ]</span> </p><p><span m='611540'>J.A.: --who made</span> <span m='611900'>that</span> <span m='612130'>movie</span> <span m='612990'>maybe</span> <span m='613580'>explicitly,</span> <span m='614490'>intuitively,</span> <span m='615150'>understood</span> <span m='615860'>something</span> <span m='616610'>about</span> <span m='616880'>the</span> <span m='616970'>difference</span> <span m='617390'>that</span> <span m='617490'>maybe</span> <span m='617740'>right--</span> <span m='618020'>you</span> <span m='618160'>know,</span> <span m='618370'>the right</span> <span m='618610'>part said</span> <span m='619070'>one</span> <span m='619280'>thing</span> <span m='619480'>about</span> <span m='619630'>Clark</span> <span m='619890'>Kent.</span> <span m='620190'>The</span> <span m='620490'>left</span> <span m='620770'>part</span> <span m='620990'>said</span> <span m='621130'>something</span> <span m='621410'>about</span> <span m='621600'>Superman.</span> <span m='622230'>In</span> <span m='622460'>fact,</span> <span m='623550'>there</span> <span m='623690'>is</span> <span m='623830'>a</span> <span m='623890'>scene</span> <span m='624690'>in</span> <span m='624930'>the</span> <span m='625020'>movie</span> <span m='625910'>where</span> <span m='626060'>Clark Kent's</span> <span m='626340'>running</span> <span m='626710'>down an</span> <span m='627010'>alley. He's</span> <span m='627470'>about</span> <span m='627690'>to</span> <span m='627790'>turn</span> <span m='628060'>into</span> <span m='628250'>Superman.</span> <span m='628740'>He</span> <span m='628880'>pulls</span> <span m='629320'>his</span> <span m='629390'>shirt</span> <span m='629720'>open</span> <span m='629960'>to</span> <span m='630050'>reveal</span> <span m='630330'>the</span> <span m='630450'>S</span> <span m='631000'>and</span> <span m='631440'>literally</span> <span m='631950'>mid-stride,</span> <span m='633310'>his</span> <span m='633540'>hair</span> <span m='633830'>goes</span> <span m='634735'>[WHEEET]</span> <span m='636220'>and</span> <span m='636690'>turns</span> <span m='637260'>from</span> <span m='637500'>the</span> <span m='637900'>right</span> <span m='638300'>to</span> <span m='638870'>the</span> <span m='638970'>left.</span> <span m='640370'>So--</span> </p><p><span m='640705'>R.K.:</span> <span m='641040'>You're</span> <span m='641350'>saying</span> <span m='641710'>that</span> <span m='641910'>sophisticated,</span> <span m='642940'>popular,</span> <span m='643470'>cultural,</span> <span m='643960'>motion</span> <span m='644360'>picture</span> <span m='644750'>manufacturers</span> <span m='645125'>and</span> <span m='645500'>at</span> <span m='645770'>least</span> <span m='646240'>two</span> <span m='646440'>presidents</span> <span m='647040'>have</span> <span m='647170'>been</span> <span m='647350'>persuaded</span> <span m='647930'>to</span> <span m='648050'>this</span> <span m='648240'>position?</span> </p><p><span m='648625'>J.A.:</span> <span m='649010'>At</span> <span m='649290'>this</span> <span m='649490'>very</span> <span m='649780'>moment--</span> </p>
<p><span m='650140'>R.K.: Ohhhh.</span> </p><p><span m='650440'>J.A.:</span> <span m='650740'>--on</span> <span m='650940'>a</span> <span m='651020'>Saturday</span> <span m='651410'>night,</span> <span m='651660'>that</span> <span m='651820'>is</span> <span m='651900'>what</span> <span m='652090'>I  am</span> <span m='652240'>saying.</span> </p><p><span m='652680'>R.K.: All</span> <span m='652860'>right.</span> <span m='653670'>Well</span> <span m='653790'>for</span> <span m='653960'>argument's</span> <span m='654620'>sake</span> <span m='654910'>then,</span> <span m='655600'>what</span> <span m='656210'>would</span> <span m='656470'>you</span> <span m='656930'>say--</span> <span m='657250'>I</span> <span m='657720'>hate to get into</span> <span m='658137'>this any deeper--</span> <span m='659390'>uh,</span> <span m='659700'>explains</span> <span m='660370'>the</span> <span m='660470'>difference</span> <span m='661020'>between</span> <span m='661510'>putting</span> <span m='661860'>the</span> <span m='661940'>power</span> <span m='662430'>of</span> <span m='662490'>your</span> <span m='662630'>hair</span> <span m='663000'>on</span> <span m='663160'>the</span> <span m='663270'>left</span> <span m='663600'>hand</span> <span m='663810'>or</span> <span m='663940'>the</span> <span m='664110'>right</span> <span m='664350'>hand?</span> </p><p><span m='664750'>J.A.: Well,</span> <span m='665090'>if</span> <span m='665270'>you</span> <span m='665390'>ask</span> <span m='665580'>John,</span> <span m='665950'>what</span> <span m='666090'>he'll</span> <span m='666220'>say</span> <span m='666610'>is</span> <span m='666840'>that</span> <span m='667300'>the</span> <span m='667440'>left</span> <span m='667960'>hair</span> <span m='668240'>part</span> <span m='668530'>emphasizes</span> <span m='669540'>strength</span> <span m='670280'>and</span> <span m='670420'>logic</span> <span m='670830'>because</span> <span m='671030'>it</span> <span m='671130'>draws</span> <span m='671640'>your</span> <span m='671790'>attention</span> <span m='672310'>to</span> <span m='672450'>the</span> <span m='673080'>logical,</span> <span m='673730'>more</span> <span m='673900'>masculine</span> <span m='674420'>side</span> <span m='674760'>of</span> <span m='674850'>your</span> <span m='675730'>face,</span> <span m='676090'>your</span> <span m='676220'>brain,</span> <span m='676640'>'cause</span> <span m='676760'>it's a</span> <span m='676830'>left</span> <span m='677070'>brain</span> <span m='677310'>kind</span> <span m='677470'>of</span> <span m='677590'>thing.</span> <span m='677930'>But</span> <span m='678130'>I--</span> <span m='678220'>I--</span> <span m='678500'>I</span> <span m='678790'>don't</span> <span m='679080'>really</span> <span m='679580'>know.</span> <span m='680080'>So</span> <span m='680420'>I</span> <span m='680520'>decided</span> <span m='680920'>I</span> <span m='680980'>would</span> <span m='681100'>actually</span> <span m='681410'>take</span> <span m='681650'>this</span> <span m='681780'>seriously</span> <span m='682180'>and</span> <span m='682420'>figure</span> <span m='682750'>out</span> <span m='683000'>how</span> <span m='683130'>to</span> <span m='683200'>feel</span> <span m='683400'>about</span> <span m='683650'>it.</span> <span m='683930'>So</span> <span m='684120'>I</span> <span m='684160'>called</span> <span m='684430'>up this</span> <span m='684570'>guy--</span> </p><p><span m='684977'>Mike Nicholls.: G'day</span> <span m='685384'>Jad,</span> <span m='685791'>it's</span> <span m='685927'>uh,</span> <span m='686063'>Mike.</span> </p>
<p><span m='686200'>J.A.: His name</span> <span m='686400'>is</span> <span m='686510'>Mike</span> <span m='686910'>Nicholls.</span> <span m='687020'>He's</span> <span m='687130'>a--</span> </p>
<p><span m='687240'>R.K.: Oh,</span> <span m='687570'>from</span> <span m='687920'><i>The Graduate.</i></span> <span m='688450'>There's</span> <span m='688570'>a</span> <span m='688770'>Mike</span> <span m='688880'>Nicholls,</span> <span m='689480'>very</span> <span m='689710'>good.</span> </p><p><span m='690070'>J.A.: No, a</span> <span m='690180'>psychology</span> <span m='690840'>professor</span> <span m='691280'>in</span> <span m='691450'>Australia.</span> </p><p><span m='691826'>R.K.:</span> <span m='692202'>Phhh--</span> </p><p><span m='692580'>J.A.: An</span> <span m='692920'>expert in</span> <span m='693120'>symmetry--</span> </p><p><span m='693405'>R.K.:</span> <span m='693690'>--that</span> <span m='694020'>Mike</span> <span m='694270'>Nichols.</span> <span m='694410'>OK.</span> </p><p><span m='694540'>J.A.: Yes,</span> <span m='694830'>that</span> <span m='694940'>guy.</span> <span m='695360'>I</span> <span m='695450'>ran</span> <span m='695810'>him</span> <span m='695970'>through</span> <span m='696310'>John's</span> <span m='696690'>theory.</span> <span m='697070'>Have</span> <span m='697260'>you</span> <span m='697340'>ever</span> <span m='697460'>seen</span> <span m='697630'>the</span> <span m='697720'>Superman</span> <span m='698130'>movies?</span> </p>
<p><span m='698665'>M.N:</span> <span m='698930'>Some of</span> <span m='699180'>the early</span> <span m='699550'>ones</span> <span m='699820'>I</span> <span m='699890'>think.</span> </p>
<p><span m='700150'>J.A.: You</span> <span m='700330'>know</span> <span m='700440'>how</span> <span m='700570'>Clark</span> <span m='700870'>Kent's</span> <span m='701330'>hair is</span> <span m='701780'>parted</span> <span m='702050'>to</span> <span m='702140'>the</span> <span m='702210'>right--</span> </p><p><span m='702595'>[AUDIO  PLAYBACK -- SCENE FROM SUPERMAN -- SPED UP]</span> </p><p><span m='703750'>J.A.: So I</span> <span m='703930'>ran him</span> <span m='704130'>through</span> <span m='704230'>the</span> <span m='704310'>whole</span> <span m='704470'>thing.</span> <span m='704790'>You know,</span> <span m='705080'>Clark's</span> <span m='705500'>on</span> <span m='705610'>the</span> <span m='705670'>right,</span> <span m='706090'>maybe</span> <span m='706200'>he's</span> <span m='706340'>weak.</span> <span m='706910'>Superman's to the</span> <span m='707190'>left,</span> <span m='707590'>maybe</span> <span m='707860'>he's</span> <span m='708030'>stronger,</span> <span m='708490'>more</span> <span m='708720'>assertive.</span> </p><p><span m='709655'>M.N.:</span> <span m='709960'>Right.</span> </p>
<p><span m='710712'>J.A.:</span> <span m='711090'>Is there</span> <span m='711360'>anything</span> <span m='711700'>to</span> <span m='711910'>that?</span> <span m='712520'>Anything</span> <span m='712830'>at</span> <span m='712900'>all?</span> </p>
<p><span m='713210'>M.N.: Um,</span> <span m='714420'>yeah,</span> <span m='714750'>I</span> <span m='714790'>mean,</span> <span m='715190'>possibly,</span> <span m='715730'>you</span> <span m='716340'>know,</span> <span m='717930'>umm,</span> <span m='719190'>that's</span> <span m='719480'>um,</span> <span m='720440'>I--</span> <span m='721300'>I'll</span> <span m='721710'>have</span> <span m='721790'>to--</span> <span m='722140'>[LAUGHTER]</span> </p>
<p><span m='723322'>J.A.:</span> <span m='723740'>But--</span> <span m='724340'>but--</span> <span m='724580'>but</span> <span m='725200'>he</span> <span m='725400'>did</span> <span m='725620'>say</span> <span m='725830'>this,</span> <span m='726690'>which</span> <span m='726850'>is</span> <span m='726960'>interesting.</span> <span m='727450'>In</span> <span m='727740'>focusing</span> <span m='728240'>on</span> <span m='728390'>the</span> <span m='728480'>left,</span> <span m='729450'>John</span> <span m='729840'>maybe</span> <span m='730170'>picking</span> <span m='730560'>up</span> <span m='730790'>on a</span> <span m='730920'>particular</span> <span m='731880'>bias</span> <span m='732740'>that</span> <span m='732890'>we</span> <span m='732990'>human</span> <span m='733310'>beings</span> <span m='733580'>have</span> <span m='734940'>to</span> <span m='735110'>our</span> <span m='735260'>left</span> <span m='735450'>side.</span> <span m='736420'>For</span> <span m='736560'>instance,</span> <span m='737080'>here's an</span> <span m='737330'>experiment</span> <span m='738130'>that</span> <span m='738460'>uh,</span> <span m='738590'>he and his</span> <span m='738990'>colleagues</span> <span m='739630'>did.</span> </p>
<p><span m='739790'>M.N.: Take a</span> <span m='740080'>snapshot</span> <span m='740550'>of</span> <span m='740640'>someone's</span> <span m='741000'>face</span> <span m='742140'>at</span> <span m='742410'>baseline</span> <span m='742610'>when</span> <span m='743010'>they're</span> <span m='743140'>showing</span> <span m='743520'>no</span> <span m='743750'>emotion.</span> </p><p><span m='744075'>J.A.:</span> <span m='744400'>Blank</span> <span m='744630'>face.</span> </p>
<p><span m='744920'>M.N.:</span> <span m='745210'>And</span> <span m='745690'>then</span> <span m='746160'>get</span> <span m='746390'>them to</span> <span m='746640'>try to look</span> <span m='747030'>as</span> <span m='747170'>happy</span> <span m='747680'>or</span> <span m='747890'>sad</span> <span m='748230'>as</span> <span m='748550'>I could.</span> </p><p><span m='748740'>J.A.: Take</span> <span m='748980'>happy</span> <span m='749440'>guy</span> <span m='750250'>and</span> <span m='750550'>overlay</span> <span m='751170'>him</span> <span m='751380'>onto</span> <span m='751720'>no</span> <span m='751930'>expression</span> <span m='752540'>guy.</span> </p>
<p><span m='752830'>M.N.: And</span> <span m='752970'>almost</span> <span m='753250'>like a</span> <span m='753370'>contour</span> <span m='753710'>map,</span> <span m='754210'>you</span> <span m='754290'>could</span> <span m='754400'>actually</span> <span m='754620'>look</span> <span m='754810'>at</span> <span m='755020'>the</span> <span m='755150'>amount</span> <span m='755500'>of</span> <span m='755670'>change,</span> <span m='756810'>the</span> <span m='756910'>amount</span> <span m='757110'>of</span> <span m='757190'>muscle</span> <span m='757550'>movement,</span> <span m='757910'>and</span> <span m='758140'>that</span> <span m='758270'>it</span> <span m='758350'>occurred--</span> </p><p><span m='758690'>J.A.:</span> <span m='758830'>What</span> <span m='758980'>you</span> <span m='759150'>will</span> <span m='759270'>see</span> <span m='759660'>if</span> <span m='759820'>you</span> <span m='759910'>measure</span> <span m='760120'>the</span> <span m='760210'>muscle</span> <span m='760480'>movement</span> <span m='761080'>in</span> <span m='761220'>millimeters</span> <span m='761700'>on</span> <span m='761840'>each</span> <span m='762000'>side</span> <span m='762160'>of</span> <span m='762220'>the</span> <span m='762280'>face,</span> <span m='762490'>you'll</span> <span m='762610'>see</span> <span m='762750'>that</span> <span m='762850'>the</span> <span m='762950'>smile</span> <span m='764220'>curves</span> <span m='764640'>a</span> <span m='764780'>few</span> <span m='765420'>extra</span> <span m='765750'>millimeters</span> <span m='766270'>on</span> <span m='766530'>the</span> <span m='766630'>left</span> <span m='767120'>side</span> <span m='767460'>the</span> <span m='767660'>face.</span> <span m='767950'>He</span> <span m='768100'>says</span> <span m='768320'>this</span> <span m='768470'>is</span> <span m='768630'>nearly</span> <span m='769230'>always</span> <span m='769660'>the</span> <span m='769760'>case.</span> <span m='770500'>Always</span> <span m='770840'>on</span> <span m='770970'>the</span> <span m='771050'>left</span> <span m='771330'>side.</span> </p><p><span m='771670'>M.N.: And</span> <span m='771810'>what</span> <span m='771970'>it's</span> <span m='772110'>really</span> <span m='772340'>telling</span> <span m='772650'>you</span> <span m='772800'>is</span> <span m='772960'>that</span> <span m='773190'>when</span> <span m='773420'>somebody</span> <span m='773700'>smiles</span> <span m='774210'>or</span> <span m='774310'>when</span> <span m='774440'>my</span> <span m='774540'>frown or</span> <span m='775040'>whatever,</span> <span m='775385'>they're</span> <span m='775730'>doing</span> <span m='776100'>it</span> <span m='776210'>slightly</span> <span m='776570'>more</span> <span m='776650'>strongly</span> <span m='777280'>on</span> <span m='777440'>the</span> <span m='777510'>left</span> <span m='777740'>side</span> <span m='777860'>of</span> <span m='777960'>their</span> <span m='778303'>face.</span> </p><p><span m='778646'>J.A.: Now</span> <span m='778990'>if</span> <span m='779270'>this is</span> <span m='779480'>the</span> <span m='779580'>case,</span> <span m='779900'>that</span> <span m='780020'>our</span> <span m='780090'>left</span> <span m='780500'>side</span> <span m='780770'>is</span> <span m='780890'>sort</span> <span m='781100'>of</span> <span m='781170'>saying</span> <span m='781680'>more,</span> <span m='781970'>emotionally,</span> <span m='782420'>than our</span> <span m='782620'>right</span> <span m='782910'>side,</span> <span m='783530'>then</span> <span m='783830'>if</span> <span m='783950'>you</span> <span m='784040'>think</span> <span m='784260'>about</span> <span m='784480'>the</span> <span m='784560'>mirror,</span> <span m='785870'>it's</span> <span m='785990'>kind</span> <span m='786260'>of</span> <span m='786360'>a</span> <span m='786410'>discombobulating</span> <span m='787450'>thing,</span> <span m='788070'>you</span> <span m='788230'>know.</span> <span m='788410'>Because</span> <span m='788540'>it's</span> <span m='788640'>taking</span> <span m='788910'>your</span> <span m='789010'>left,</span> <span m='789460'>which</span> <span m='789720'>is</span> <span m='789800'>sort</span> <span m='789960'>of</span> <span m='790150'>broadcasting</span> <span m='790810'>emotion,</span> <span m='791390'>flipping</span> <span m='791810'>it</span> <span m='791900'>to</span> <span m='792000'>your</span> <span m='792120'>right.</span> <span m='792440'>You're</span> <span m='792610'>seeing</span> <span m='792890'>yourself.</span> <span m='793270'>Your</span> <span m='793390'>all</span> <span m='793870'>mixed</span> <span m='794440'>up.</span> <span m='794870'>You</span> <span m='795060'>don't</span> <span m='795210'>know</span> <span m='795470'>which</span> <span m='795870'>part of</span> <span m='796160'>you is</span> <span m='796550'>where.</span> </p><p><span m='796920'>R.K.: You're--</span> <span m='797080'>so</span> <span m='797220'>you're</span> <span m='797400'>saying</span> <span m='797610'>like</span> <span m='797820'>because</span> <span m='798200'>I</span> <span m='798310'>tend</span> <span m='798630'>to</span> <span m='798750'>address</span> <span m='799070'>you</span> <span m='799200'>as</span> <span m='799330'>my</span> <span m='799480'>attention</span> <span m='799940'>on</span> <span m='800090'>your</span> <span m='800250'>left</span> <span m='800540'>side,</span> <span m='800800'>unbeknownst</span> <span m='801270'>to</span> <span m='801470'>me,</span> <span m='802000'>and</span> <span m='802220'>your</span> <span m='802320'>left</span> <span m='802510'>side</span> <span m='802620'>is</span> <span m='802680'>actually</span> <span m='803020'>flipped</span> <span m='803310'>over</span> <span m='803480'>to</span> <span m='803570'>your</span> <span m='803650'>right</span> <span m='803850'>side,</span> <span m='804010'>I</span> <span m='804120'>don't--</span> <span m='804350'>I--</span> <span m='804490'>it's</span> <span m='804840'>a</span> <span m='804930'>where</span> <span m='805170'>are</span> <span m='805380'>we</span> <span m='805550'>sort</span> <span m='805800'>of question.</span> </p><p><span m='806070'>J.A.: It's--</span> <span m='806330'>exactly.</span> <span m='806590'>But</span> <span m='806700'>John</span> <span m='807080'>has,</span> <span m='807530'>uh,</span> <span m='807760'>has</span> <span m='808000'>developed</span> <span m='808530'>a</span> <span m='808590'>solution</span> <span m='809180'>to</span> <span m='809330'>this</span> <span m='809630'>uh,</span> <span m='809860'>problem.</span> </p><p><span m='811582'>J.W.:</span> <span m='812036'>Let me</span> <span m='812490'>take</span> <span m='812910'>this one</span> <span m='813040'>apart.</span> </p><p><span m='814866'>J.A.:</span> <span m='815340'>He</span> <span m='815740'>now</span> <span m='816140'>makes</span> <span m='816540'>and</span> <span m='816710'>sells</span> <span m='816990'>his</span> <span m='817320'>own</span> <span m='817650'>very</span> <span m='817850'>special</span> <span m='818220'>mirrors,</span> <span m='818520'>right</span> <span m='818730'>out</span> <span m='818830'>of</span> <span m='818900'>his</span> <span m='818980'>home.</span> <span m='819245'>And</span> <span m='819510'>this</span> <span m='819660'>where</span> <span m='819780'>you</span> <span m='819870'>make</span> <span m='820135'>the</span> <span m='820400'>mirrors?</span> </p><p><span m='820840'>J.W.: Yeah, everything</span> <span m='821230'>that</span> <span m='821790'>goes</span> <span m='822040'>into</span> <span m='822250'>the</span> <span m='822330'>mirror</span> <span m='822790'>is</span> <span m='823130'>made</span> <span m='823470'>here.</span> <span m='824340'>You</span> <span m='824530'>see</span> <span m='824760'>here,</span> <span m='825040'>this</span> <span m='825250'>is</span> <span m='825440'>the</span> <span m='825730'>machine</span> <span m='826200'>the</span> <span m='826300'>cuts</span> <span m='826776'>the mirror.</span> </p><p><span m='827252'>J.A.: He</span> <span m='827730'>buys these</span> <span m='828140'>giant</span> <span m='828520'>sheets</span> <span m='828780'>of</span> <span m='829110'>reflective</span> <span m='829460'>glass</span> <span m='830190'>and</span> <span m='830565'>he</span> <span m='830940'>slices</span> <span m='831540'>them</span> <span m='831690'>into</span> <span m='831870'>little</span> <span m='832060'>pieces.</span> <span m='832500'>[HISSING NOISE]</span> <span m='832984'>[CLUNK]</span> <span m='835888'>Clunk.</span> </p><p><span m='837824'>J.W.:</span> <span m='838310'>And then</span> <span m='838810'>I</span> <span m='838900'>snap it.</span> <span m='839820'>[SNAP]</span> </p>
<p><span m='841022'>J.A.:</span> <span m='841370'>Now,</span> <span m='841690'>for</span> <span m='841850'>each</span> <span m='842010'>mirror,</span> <span m='842390'>uh,</span> <span m='842770'>this</span> <span m='842960'>is</span> <span m='843090'>the</span> <span m='843180'>key,</span> <span m='843400'>he uses</span> <span m='843830'>two</span> <span m='844090'>pieces</span> <span m='844410'>of</span> <span m='844550'>mirror</span> <span m='844690'>glass</span> <span m='845060'>instead</span> <span m='845470'>of</span> <span m='845550'>one.</span> <span m='846370'>What</span> <span m='846560'>he'll</span> <span m='846670'>do</span> <span m='846880'>is he'll</span> <span m='847020'>take</span> <span m='847370'>these</span> <span m='847590'>two</span> <span m='847770'>pieces</span> <span m='848260'>and</span> <span m='848380'>he'll</span> <span m='848560'>place</span> <span m='848890'>them</span> <span m='848990'>together</span> <span m='849870'>at</span> <span m='850180'>uh,</span> <span m='850480'>at</span> <span m='850680'>right</span> <span m='851120'>angles.</span> </p><p><span m='851385'>J.W.:</span> <span m='851650'>Two</span> <span m='851760'>mirrors</span> <span m='852010'>at</span> <span m='852090'>right</span> <span m='852260'>angles.</span> </p><p><span m='852720'>J.A.: Like</span> <span m='852870'>exactly</span> <span m='853360'>at right</span> <span m='853610'>angles.</span> </p><p><span m='853860'>J.W.: It</span> <span m='854020'>has</span> <span m='854210'>to</span> <span m='854320'>be</span> <span m='854460'>90.00</span> <span m='856010'>degrees.</span> <span m='857190'>Let's</span> <span m='857420'>just</span> <span m='857570'>push</span> <span m='857860'>this</span> <span m='858150'>up</span> <span m='858300'>a</span> <span m='858340'>little</span> <span m='858560'>bit.</span> <span m='859395'>That's</span> <span m='859850'>still not</span> <span m='860120'>enough.</span> </p><p><span m='860456'>J.A.:</span> <span m='860792'>When he gets--</span> <span m='861130'>when</span> <span m='861380'>he</span> <span m='861510'>finally</span> <span m='861810'>gets</span> <span m='861990'>it</span> <span m='862080'>right,</span> <span m='862320'>which</span> <span m='862490'>can</span> <span m='862600'>take</span> <span m='862790'>hours,</span> <span m='863470'>what</span> <span m='863690'>he'll</span> <span m='863800'>have</span> <span m='864080'>is</span> <span m='864160'>this v-shaped</span> <span m='864980'>mirror.</span> <span m='865340'>He'll</span> <span m='865480'>stand</span> <span m='865830'>it</span> <span m='865920'>up,</span> <span m='866120'>put</span> <span m='866290'>it</span> <span m='866380'>in</span> <span m='866440'>a</span> <span m='866520'>box</span> <span m='867020'>and</span> <span m='867410'>then,</span> <span m='867820'>voila.</span> <span m='868630'>What</span> <span m='868860'>you</span> <span m='868990'>have</span> <span m='869780'>is</span> <span m='870040'>a</span> <span m='870190'>mirror</span> <span m='870740'>that</span> <span m='870820'>shows</span> <span m='871180'>you</span> <span m='871370'>a</span> <span m='871440'>mirror</span> <span m='871840'>image</span> <span m='872760'>of</span> <span m='872930'>a</span> <span m='873020'>mirror</span> <span m='873430'>image</span> <span m='874310'>of</span> <span m='874510'>you.</span> <span m='875480'>Takes</span> <span m='875790'>the</span> <span m='875880'>normally</span> <span m='876260'>flipped</span> <span m='876610'>guy</span> <span m='876800'>that</span> <span m='876920'>you'd</span> <span m='877060'>see</span> <span m='877240'>in</span> <span m='877320'>the</span> <span m='877540'>mirror,</span> <span m='877935'>re-flips</span> <span m='878330'>him--</span> </p><p><span m='878730'>R.K.:</span> <span m='878996'>Uh-huh.</span> <span m='879130'>--so</span> <span m='879310'>that</span> <span m='879680'>what</span> <span m='879910'>you</span> <span m='880010'>are</span> <span m='880100'>seeing</span> <span m='880520'>is</span> <span m='880660'>essentially--</span> <span m='882030'>well,</span> <span m='882220'>for</span> <span m='882330'>the</span> <span m='882420'>first</span> <span m='882640'>time</span> <span m='882810'>in</span> <span m='882950'>a</span> <span m='883440'>mirror,</span> <span m='883670'>you see</span> <span m='883820'>yourself</span> <span m='884290'>as</span> <span m='884570'>other</span> <span m='884830'>people</span> <span m='885200'>see</span> <span m='885465'>you.</span> </p><p><span m='885730'>J.W.: OK.</span> <span m='886190'>So</span> <span m='886390'>there</span> <span m='886530'>you</span> <span m='886590'>go.</span> </p><p><span m='887310'>J.A.:</span> <span m='887800'>So</span> <span m='887920'>what</span> <span m='888030'>is</span> <span m='888120'>this</span> <span m='888280'>that</span> <span m='888370'>you</span> <span m='888450'>have in your hand here?</span> </p><p><span m='888790'>J.W.: This</span> <span m='888960'>is,</span> <span m='889220'>this</span> <span m='889420'>is</span> <span m='889570'>a</span> <span m='889650'>true</span> <span m='889930'>mirror.</span> <span m='890460'>This</span> <span m='890680'>is</span> <span m='890870'>uh,</span> <span m='890980'>to</span> <span m='891190'>the</span> <span m='891300'>12</span> <span m='891610'>inch</span> <span m='891790'>model.</span> <span m='892380'>And</span> <span m='892520'>so</span> <span m='892680'>when</span> <span m='892880'>you</span> <span m='893090'>like</span> <span m='893200'>to touch--</span> </p>
<p><span m='893280'>J.A.: Is this</span> <span m='893380'>exactly</span> <span m='893840'>what</span> <span m='893950'>I</span> <span m='893990'>look</span> <span m='894170'>like?</span> </p>
<p><span m='894400'>J.W.: --yeah,</span> <span m='894510'>touch your</span> <span m='894910'>right</span> <span m='895130'>eye.</span> <span m='896845'>See</span> <span m='897340'>it's</span> <span m='897550'>actually</span> <span m='897890'>on</span> <span m='898000'>the</span> <span m='898090'>right</span> <span m='898290'>side.</span> </p>
<p><span m='898615'>J.A.:</span> <span m='898940'>Oh</span> <span m='899100'>my</span> <span m='899290'>god.</span> </p>
<p><span m='899670'>J.W.: Isn't</span> <span m='900050'>that</span> <span m='900260'>crazy?</span> </p><p><span m='900700'>J.A.: That's</span> <span m='901040'>crazy.</span> <span m='902240'>It</span> <span m='902350'>is</span> <span m='902460'>surprisingly</span> <span m='903400'>weird</span> <span m='903690'>to</span> <span m='903900'>see</span> <span m='904060'>yourself</span> <span m='904325'>this</span> <span m='904590'>way.</span> <span m='905220'>I feel</span> <span m='905400'>like my</span> <span m='905490'>nose</span> <span m='905860'>is going</span> <span m='906230'>the wrong</span> <span m='906430'>way.</span> </p>
<p><span m='906882'>J.W.:</span> <span m='907334'>Yeah.</span> </p><p><span m='907786'>J.A.:</span> <span m='908240'>I never</span> <span m='908710'>knew</span> <span m='908790'>my nose</span> <span m='909255'>when that way.</span> <span m='909720'>And this</span> <span m='909910'>little</span> <span m='910260'>flare</span> <span m='911290'>in my</span> <span m='911550'>eyebrows</span> <span m='912430'>is</span> <span m='912870'>on the wrong</span> <span m='913310'>side.</span> <span m='914956'>Or the</span> <span m='915390'>right</span> <span m='915660'>side,</span> <span m='916146'>as it were.</span> <span m='917120'>John</span> <span m='917360'>claims</span> <span m='917940'>that</span> <span m='918140'>many</span> <span m='918450'>a</span> <span m='918600'>fair</span> <span m='918800'>number--</span> <span m='919120'>I</span> <span m='919230'>probably</span> <span m='919560'>would</span> <span m='919670'>put</span> <span m='919850'>you</span> <span m='920010'>in</span> <span m='920240'>this</span> <span m='920280'>bunch,</span> <span m='921090'>my</span> <span m='921280'>cohost--</span> <span m='921750'>when</span> <span m='921930'>they</span> <span m='922010'>stand</span> <span m='922290'>in</span> <span m='922350'>front</span> <span m='922530'>of</span> <span m='922650'>this</span> <span m='922790'>mirror</span> <span m='923010'>they</span> <span m='923400'>uh--</span> </p><p><span m='923655'>J.W.:</span> <span m='923910'>Freak</span> <span m='924180'>out.</span> <span m='925050'>Many</span> <span m='925430'>of</span> <span m='925600'>them,</span> <span m='925740'>because</span> <span m='926130'>they--</span> <span m='926430'>it's</span> <span m='926730'>just</span> <span m='926970'>their</span> <span m='927100'>perception</span> <span m='927820'>is</span> <span m='928140'>shaken</span> <span m='928580'>up</span> <span m='928760'>a</span> <span m='928790'>little</span> <span m='929000'>bit.</span> </p><p><span m='929440'>J.A.: In</span> <span m='929520'>fact</span> <span m='929850'>he</span> <span m='929980'>sometimes,</span> <span m='930280'>uh,</span> <span m='930800'>takes</span> <span m='931230'>his</span> <span m='931330'>mirrors</span> <span m='931840'>to</span> <span m='932020'>these</span> <span m='932220'>festivals.</span> <span m='932535'>And he'll</span> <span m='932850'>sort</span> <span m='932960'>of</span> <span m='933380'>set</span> <span m='933670'>them</span> <span m='933810'>up</span> <span m='933930'>and</span> <span m='934030'>have</span> <span m='934180'>people</span> <span m='934390'>look</span> <span m='934610'>at</span> <span m='934730'>themselves.</span> <span m='935330'>And</span> <span m='935510'>then</span> <span m='935640'>fill</span> <span m='935880'>out</span> <span m='936070'>comment</span> <span m='936550'>cards</span> <span m='936870'>afterwards.</span> </p>
<p><span m='937155'>J.W.: You</span> <span m='937440'>know,</span> <span m='937690'>mean,</span> <span m='937830'>if</span> <span m='937940'>you</span> <span m='938020'>look</span> <span m='938180'>at</span> <span m='938270'>some</span> <span m='938430'>of</span> <span m='938490'>the</span> <span m='938560'>comments</span> <span m='938850'>you</span> <span m='939140'>know,</span> <span m='939390'>it's</span> <span m='939540'>like--</span> </p><p><span m='939980'>Heckler in audience:</span> <span m='940090'>This</span> <span m='940586'>person</span> <span m='941082'>thinks they're</span> <span m='941578'>a monster.</span> </p><p><span m='942074'>J.W.:</span> <span m='942570'>I</span> <span m='942770'>am</span> <span m='943000'>[BLEEP]</span> <span m='943920'>monster</span> <span m='944310'>in</span> <span m='944785'>your</span> <span m='945260'>mirror.</span> <span m='945735'>[LAUGHTER]</span> </p>
<p><span m='947160'>R.K.:</span> <span m='947640'>What,</span> <span m='948230'>what,</span> <span m='948370'>what</span> <span m='948460'>did</span> <span m='948600'>he say?</span> <span m='948700'>I</span> <span m='949160'>am</span> <span m='949360'>a--</span> </p>
<p><span m='949830'>J.A.: I am a</span> <span m='950300'>[BLEEP]</span> <span m='950770'>monster</span> <span m='951045'>in</span> <span m='951320'>your</span> <span m='951800'>mirror.</span> </p>
<p><span m='952523'>[MUSIC]</span> </p>