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[Core] Could there be a way of getting the combo to hold burst? #99

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neongrey opened this issue Nov 23, 2024 · 3 comments
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[Core] Could there be a way of getting the combo to hold burst? #99

neongrey opened this issue Nov 23, 2024 · 3 comments
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I kind of hesitated to put this forward for Sloth because this is a little more dynamic than before, but I think it might be a better fit for Wrath.

In short, there are times when you might want to hold burst in a fight. Upcoming phase transitions, bosses going untargetable, that sort of thing. Sometimes it will not be optimal to do this, like holding burst for the M4S phase transition, but some groups like to do it anyway. When faced with the choice of bursting on time vs bursting under party buffs, it often makes sense to just wait however long the party wants to wait at the expense of overcapping a resource, etc. (Wildfire is the obvious case, because of course it is). Doing so right now is, in my experience, awkward but doable and requires some finesse midcombat.

It would be cool to have some way to just switch to a fallback combo to hold burst with. There may be other possible applications but idk right now. Anyway, maybe a notion someone would be interested in. Thanks!

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zbee commented Nov 23, 2024

My proposed solution would be to label "burst" actions, and have a key or command or something to delay all burst commands while held or for X time after activating or until re-pressing the key or something.

If I were to do it, it'd be after I implement moving of options into each individual class, which would be around January.

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Whitemoose78 commented Nov 23, 2024

Not a dev, but I tinker and have some thoughts.
A solution I quite like (but isn't easily doable for all jobs, and a bit less simplified) that's already in, is the current iteration of paladin having most of it's burst skills tied to "Prefers to use whilst under the effect of Fight or Flight" in the advanced rotation section, but not having FoF ticked. As long as I don't press FoF myself, it'll just do the basic 123/atonement/holy spirit loop and it'll hold burst indefinitely, effectively.
Similarly, Dancer functions the same but with tech step as a "burst trigger", tho you'd also have the manually trigger standard steps every 30 seconds.
Obviously this solution wouldn't work for all jobs, and it's not so much a one-button combo at that point, as you're timing burst manually for the entire encounter, but I'd say it's a possible approach for some jobs, like Dragoon (trigger being lance charge/geir) that doesn't necessitate a full new function

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edewen commented Nov 23, 2024

It would likely be different for each class. Bard is a tough one bc the burst phase is tied to wanderers minuet and specific timing of delayed weaves inside that songs start and armys end. So any ammount of holding burst breaks bard as a class. let alone what it would do to wrath.

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