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Ares: Geological Survey / Mars First clarification (status: no action) #8

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kberg opened this issue Oct 12, 2020 · 1 comment
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kberg commented Oct 12, 2020

Mars First from Turmoil has a ruling policy: When you place any tile on mars, receive 1 steel. It's unclear whether this applies to the Geological Survey benefit. Either way, I think there's an inconsistency -- I forget, it was a while ago last I looked at it.

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kberg commented Oct 14, 2020

This has turned out to be a tricky decision. The term grant isn't used in the main rulebook, but it appears on Geological Survey:

Effect: When placing a tile grants you any steel, titanium, or heat, you gain one additional of each of those resources that you gain.

So, what grants you steel? Is it just those things which with the word "grant" in them, limited to Ares cards and behavior? Makes me wonder whether Geological Survey should even apply to standard placement bonuses.

The current behavior will include the Mars First steel bonus in Geological Survey, and I have asked for a ruling from the expansion designer, but they haven't been on bgg since June. Almost the entire time I have designed the code around Ares with the notion that grant as it pertains to tile placement means any resources received during the call to addTile.

Of course makes the card more valuable, but players just need to take that into account when calculating their best interests for placing delegates.

So for now, this stands - Geological Survey includes bonuses from a Mars First policy.

@kberg kberg changed the title Ares: Geological Survey / Mars First inconsistency Ares: Geological Survey / Mars First clarification Oct 14, 2020
@kberg kberg changed the title Ares: Geological Survey / Mars First clarification Ares: Geological Survey / Mars First clarification (status: no action) Oct 14, 2020
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Moon #8 Add Mare Serenitatis Mine, which uses the Moon Road deferred Action, also enable some game pieces so I can test.
kberg added a commit that referenced this issue Sep 2, 2022
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Move playCorporationCard to Player, where it belongs. Merge with merger code.

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Provide Card2, bespokeCanPlay, & bespokePlay.

This is going to be cleaner and easier to manage than the current
approach. This removes most uses of `migrated`. The rest will come
shortly.

# This is the commit message #3:

Fix sqlite3 async purgeUnfinishedGames.

1. purgeUnfinishedGames wasn't finished for SQLite, so this finishes it.

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Rename "money production" to "M€ production"

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Remove translations.json. It shouldn't be generated again.

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Present user with ability to go to the map when selecting a space.

Fixes terraforming-mars#2584

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Update src/client/components/waitingFor/GoToMap.vue

Co-authored-by: Brian Folts <[email protected]>
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CEO's Fav. Proj. may not be used on robot cards.
kberg added a commit that referenced this issue Sep 2, 2022
# This is the 1st commit message:

Move playCorporationCard to Player, where it belongs. Merge with merger code.

# This is the commit message #2:

Provide Card2, bespokeCanPlay, & bespokePlay.

This is going to be cleaner and easier to manage than the current
approach. This removes most uses of `migrated`. The rest will come
shortly.

# This is the commit message #3:

Fix sqlite3 async purgeUnfinishedGames.

1. purgeUnfinishedGames wasn't finished for SQLite, so this finishes it.

# This is the commit message #4:

Rename "money production" to "M€ production"

# This is the commit message #5:

Remove translations.json. It shouldn't be generated again.

# This is the commit message #6:

Present user with ability to go to the map when selecting a space.

Fixes terraforming-mars#2584

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Update src/client/components/waitingFor/GoToMap.vue

Co-authored-by: Brian Folts <[email protected]>
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CEO's Fav. Proj. may not be used on robot cards.

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Game end / Game log features

1. Add "Download game log".
2. Clean up some translations.
3. Make spectator able to see the game log.

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When fetching game-end logs too soon, return bad request instead of internal error.

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Log Venus increase from Ambient corp.

Meanwhile, for other cards that increase Venus, make sure it logs the
amount actually raised.

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Remove unnecessary type declarations
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