Monero Community Workgroup Meeting: Saturday 17 Feb 15:00UTC

[plowsof]

Location: Libera.chat, #monero-community | Matrix

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Time
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Moderator: plowsof

Please reach out in advance of the meeting if you would like to propose an agenda item.

Proposed Meeting Items:

1. Introduction
2. Greetings
3. Community highlights
   • https://cfp.monerokon.org/2024/cfp Submission deadline 15th March
   • https://monerofund.org/projects/Q1Q2_2024_dev_vtnerd
   • https://github.com/haveno-dex/haveno mainnet soon?
   • unlock_time Enforce Tx unlock_time is Zero by Relay Rule monero#9151 Prev MRL meeting summarised by escapethe3ra on monero.observer
     News: Monero Observer - Revuo Monero - The Monero Standard - Monero Moon
4. CCS updates - close completed/repurposed proposals
   
   a. Boog900 full time work on Cuprate (3 months)
   b. selsta part-time monero development (3 months)
5. Workgroup reports
   a. Dev workgroup
   b. Localization workgroup
   c. Outreach workgroup
   d. Events workgroup - MoneroKon 2024
   e. Website workgroup
   f. Policy workgroup
   g. Research workgroup
   h. Seraphis Migration workgroup
6. Open ideas time
7. Confirm next meeting date/time

Previous meeting including logs

Meeting logs will be posted here afterwards.

[plowsof]

Logs

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > Community meeting in 38 mins #968

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > Anonero wallet having some internal issues? is everything ok @r4v3r https://monero.observer/anon-v1.0-release-postponed-internal-issues

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > Haveno will be on mainnet soon? https://github.com/haveno-dex/haveno 👀

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > Meeting time #968

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > Greetings!

< a​js:matrix.org >_ Hello

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > with haveno on the horizon, and usable peer to peer atomic swaps @ #basicswap:matrix.org the future is bright

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > hi ajs_ how is the call for presentations going for monerokon? i believe Dr Aaron / Sarang has already signed up? Luke parker too. is there a page where can see the currently accepted ones?

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > https://cfp.monerokon.org/2024/cfp submission deadline 15th march tweet @ https://nitter.esmailelbob.xyz/monerokon/status/1758780130413904191?s=61

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > donations are coming in for vtnerd still, now @ almost 26 xmr https://monerofund.org/projects/Q1Q2_2024_dev_vtnerd

< m​ichael:monero.social > Hello.

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > xmrscott and i have agreed to help with the weblate (localization) issues. ive/scott gave my ssh keys to the back end admin and await an onboarding of sorts

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > escapethe3ra has a nice summary of the previous MRL meeting that discussed unlock_time (which Rucknium shared some new usage data for it during) https://monero.observer/meeting-log-summary-monero-research-lab-meeting-14-february-2024/

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > any other highlights people want to raise? Binance's official delisting is in 3 days woohoo

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > woodser where is the best place to catch the upcoming announcements for haevno?

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > we can move on if nothing pops up, https://monero.observer/ full of recent content 👍️

< m​ichael:monero.social > Monero Observer is great yes.

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > where are we at with rates selsta / boog900 for your ccs proposals?

< selsta > i updated it once but will update again if the price changed noticeably

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > ok thank you

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > a. Boog900 full time work on Cuprate (3 months)

< w​oodser:monero.social > #Haveno is best place for the latest news on haveno, and we'll make any major announcements on reddit, etc

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > thanks woodser #haveno:monero.social

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > if anyone has comments on boog900's proposal, please share, it has 3 updoots and presumably has/will receive same support as hinto who was recently merged/funded for cuprate work

< ofrnxmr > plowsof ccs too

< ofrnxmr > Gm

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > i have a merge request open for a bit of spring cleaning we can look at later

< ofrnxmr > 👍

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > we can wait for boog900 to comment on his proposal / rates if requried

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > selsta has is at this moment ok with them:

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > b. selsta part-time monero development (3 months)

< t​rasherdk:monero.social > Not much going on. No new exciting development?

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > adjustment of 124 to 153 to reflect market changes

< ofrnxmr > Sure there is

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > +1 for latest rates

< ofrnxmr > -1

< ofrnxmr > Should have been adjusted and merged already :P

< ofrnxmr > I swear selstas ccs should be merged already. Imnot voting now so we can redo this in 2 weeks

< ofrnxmr > I already voted "give raise and merge"

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > luigi likes to was 1 week for good luck

< ofrnxmr > 1week+3days (tuesday)

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > latest development on monero core @ https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pulls , some interesting things from jeffro256 / vtnerd / 0xFFFC , and tobtoht working on his bootstrappable builds PR / fixing problems. Koe is active ATM

< ofrnxmr > Bf deploying site??

< ofrnxmr > Binaryfate

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > no response yet on that front ^

< ofrnxmr > Yet haveno wants core involved in haveno

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > 'Dad can we deploy site today' .. 'Son, ive just got home from work can we do it tomorrow'

< ofrnxmr > is he.. ok?

< ofrnxmr > Is gf ok?

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > yes he performed usual duties a few days ago, assuming availability problem

< ofrnxmr > Ok

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > haveno are building their council currently

< ofrnxmr > Ofrnxmr and his alts will choose arbi-traitors

< a​js:matrix.org >_ Are they still getting 50% automatic fee kick backs?

< ofrnxmr > yes

< ofrnxmr > But "its not for profit" - erc

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > iirc nothing had changed, the structure remains the same for the council woodser

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > finding the image (but does that detail the % fees / where they go?)

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > https://haveno.exchange/blog/haveno-structure/

< nioCat > sorry was busy serving cat2

< nioCat > when will selsta's new xmr requested amount change?

< selsta > welp luigi just merged it

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > "The idea is to send 100% of the fees paid by users on Haveno to a CCS system, that from now on we will call Engine." , so it requires some digging to decipher the fee %'s

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > congrats selsta xD

< selsta > i wanted to update it one more time

< ofrnxmr > Congrats selsta :P

< ofrnxmr > Its ok, ill update the price of monero

< nioCat > selsta plowsof I don't see selsta's CCS in either ideas or funding

< a​js:matrix.org >_ After the events of Tornado Cash, I hope they seriously reconsider the proposed structure

< a​js:matrix.org >_ It is flawed imo

< selsta > i had to change wip to fr

< ofrnxmr > Ajs - we agree lmfao

< selsta > I will open a PR to fix it

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > ok well it error'd / didnt go to funding

< a​js:matrix.org >_ Supposed DEX is defacto centralized with extra steps

< ofrnxmr > I 100% agree ajs. Thats probably why erc dumped haveno so fast

< nioCat > yes the tornado cash thing happened after the structure of haveno was proposed

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > its been 2 years and yep

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > selsta what is happening btw

< ofrnxmr > not just "centralized with extra steps" but supposedly that is why its not mainnet

< ofrnxmr > Politics

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > it is up for funding selsta, we need to wait for nioCat to login to n1oc to announce

< nioCat > selsta's CCS has been moved to funding https://ccs.getmonero.org/funding-required/

< n1oc > selsta part-time monero development (3 months) has moved to funding! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/selsta-12.html

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > ha ha thank you

< nioCat > for the correct amount

< selsta > n1oCat

< o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com > vtnerd

< nioCat > ajs have you brought you questions about the structure of haveno to the haveno channel?

< ofrnxmr > Yes he did

< nioCat > thx

< nioCat > I seem to have missed that discussion

< ofrnxmr > "imo the safest bet against running a foul with regulators is to make Haveno a purely non-profit, donation-based software development company and just put the code out there"

< ofrnxmr > Nov 9 2022

< s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social > Ruins everything

< ofrnxmr > Re vtnerd - prevote

< s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social > Just send it all to general fund until council is ready and let it go live on mainnet

< ofrnxmr > Vtnerd has a MAGIC proposal open which is may be funded in like 2+n years (jk, but seriously)

< plowsof > what if a non profit forks haveno and receives community funding

< ofrnxmr > Is anybody against vtnerd opening a ccs here and shifting magic for a later proposal

< s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social > I tried to force it to main and got 3/4 the way there, but no seed nodes

< plowsof > also possible depending on the communities feelings toward the structure (which i asked for a refresher/onboarding for as i am confused still)

< plowsof > haveno core for code is woodser and vik (cakewallet)

< ofrnxmr > 3 days til delist

< selsta > maybe the general fund could donate to vtnerds magic proposal? it would be a good use of funds

< s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social > Wouldn't it be beautiful to have it on the day of de-listing launch?

< plowsof > i am not against vtnerd opening a concurrent CCS. to make it fit any duplication rules it could be for his monero-core contributions on github

< s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social > At 03:00 utc on the 20th right when binance delists

< ofrnxmr > I dont see any problem with duplication - as hes not working for magic

< nioCat > selsta: the GF has been asked if they would do so, I believe 2 weeks ago

< nioCat > no response yet

< ofrnxmr > Magic cant pay for the work in scope, they have to pay for whatever will be in scope in 3 months

< ofrnxmr > GF donating to vtnerd for magic is, as ruck woukd call it, unorofessional

< ofrnxmr > Vtnerd could have had 100% funding from community in minutes/days, but instead magic wants to backdoor generalfund to oretend magic raised money

< plowsof > shortwavesurfer2009 at this point, any time before the delisting is good enough but that would be very poetic

< selsta > i just want to see vtnerd funded

< plowsof > +1 important dev (even if we remove monero-lws from the picture) in my 'i look at github comments/Prs but understand not much' opinion

< s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social > I would jump for joy if it went live right now.

< ofrnxmr > same. So lets open him a ccs here and merge it

< t​rasherdk:monero.social > Can't vtnerd drop that other thing and come back to CCS ?

< ofrnxmr > Yes he can. But MAGIC would like him to believe its a bad idea

< plowsof > vtnerd himself has some hesitations / or wants to wait for.. something. lets wait for him to comment after this feedback

< nioCat > vtnerd had his reasons for going thru magic

< ofrnxmr > for everyone ive spoken to, it seems MAGIC are the only people not ok with allowing vtnerd to move magic to proposal 2/2 and use ccs for 1/2

< ofrnxmr > and i never proposed he close one, i proposed he raised 6 months worth of money instead of 3

< ofrnxmr > 123 ccs 456 magic (since magic isnt capable of making 123 deadline)

< plowsof > a CCS proposal for different quarters of the year xD

< ofrnxmr > Right

< ofrnxmr > Maybe haveno can donate to MAGIC 💀

< plowsof > anything else to close this meeting out (as we're over the hour)

< ofrnxmr > So much politics for a solution so simple

< nioCat > ty plowsof

< ofrnxmr > lastly

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > a spring cleaning merge request to clean up some wip proposals https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/434/diffs

< ofrnxmr > 3 days til delisting from binance. Have a good week guys

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > not that "returned to the general fund" on some has "happened" already (as they literally sit in the general fund at this moment)

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > s/not/note

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > thank you all for attending

< ofrnxmr > Ty for chairing

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > events meeting in 50 minutes (niocat?) #monero-events:monero.social

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16:11:04 <nioCat> probably  :D
16:12:15 <m-relay> <m​ichael:monero.social> Dankon very much for the good meeting and moderation plowsof.
16:12:17 <ofrnxmr> https://matrix.to/#/!cSwJDzxRuWndmFUZTd:haveno.network/$GC_z8Ku5m-N53CbeuQXp3jOF6LRAJrh3MGwz1XKfy2A?via=monero.social&via=matrix.org&via=tchncs.de
16:12:18 <ofrnxmr> Re haveno structure 
16:27:29 <m-relay> <s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> This was my first community meeting, and honestly, I kind of forgot that it was going on, so hope I didn't disrupt anything, because that was not my intention.
16:29:59 <ofrnxmr> I was late and forgot that my 40mins was everybody elses 1:10
16:32:27 <m-relay> <s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> Normally, at this time of morning, I am listening to Monero Topia.
16:45:47 <m-relay> <w​oodser:monero.social> we're open to any suggestions. best we can do as far as we know is forego any trade fees and be purely donation-based. then the council is an independent entity, separate from software development
17:12:20 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> Sorry I wasn't in the meeting, I've updated the rate