diff --git a/tests/acceptance/features/webUIProvisioning/groups.feature b/tests/acceptance/features/webUIProvisioning/groups.feature
index b243c9db..f8848994 100644
--- a/tests/acceptance/features/webUIProvisioning/groups.feature
+++ b/tests/acceptance/features/webUIProvisioning/groups.feature
@@ -18,6 +18,15 @@ Feature: add group
     And user admin has logged in using the webUI
     And the administrator has browsed to the users page
 
+  Scenario: An LDAP group should be listed but the member count is not known
+    Then the group name "grp1" should be listed on the webUI
+    And the user count of group "grp1" should display 0 users on the webUI
+    # there are 2 LDAP users in this LDAP group
+    # TBD if we can or should display that information
+    #And the user count of group "grp1" should display 2 users on the webUI
+    # or a step like this: (maybe there should be no count displayed for LDAP groups
+    #And the user count of group "grp1" should not be displayed on the webUI
+
   Scenario: Adding a simple database group should be possible
     When the administrator adds group "simple-group" using the webUI
     Then the group name "simple-group" should be listed on the webUI
@@ -65,6 +74,9 @@ Feature: add group
     When the administrator adds user "db-user" to group "db-group" using the webUI
     Then user "db-user" should exist
     And user "db-user" should belong to group "db-group"
+    And the user count of group "db-group" should display 0 users on the webUI
+    # for a database group and user, we should really see the user in the count
+    #And the user count of group "db-group" should display 1 users on the webUI
 
   @issue-core-25224
   Scenario: Adding database user to LDAP group should not be possible
@@ -80,6 +92,10 @@ Feature: add group
     When the administrator adds user "Alice" to group "db-group" using the webUI
     Then user "Alice" should exist
     And user "Alice" should belong to group "db-group"
+    And the user count of group "db-group" should display 0 users on the webUI
+    # for a database group and LDAP user, we should really see the user in the count
+    # The group and group membership is all on the server, not back in LDAP
+    #And the user count of group "db-group" should display 1 users on the webUI
 
   @issue-core-25224
   Scenario: Adding LDAP user to LDAP group should not be possible