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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2024 09:58:06 -0700
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@@ -64,7 +64,45 @@ diablo-mountain,,,Diablo Mountain,2021-07-16,"Built: 1926
Photo by Chris Lamb,,Lochsa River; Selway River; Clearwater River; Powell Ranger Station; Diablo Peak; Bill Moore; Forest Service; Volunteer lookouts; Norman McClain; Osborne Fire Finder; Nez-Perce Clearwater National Forest; Magruder Corridor; Selway-Bitterroot Wilderness; Smoke; R-6,Selway-Bitterroot Wilderness ,46.29622,-114.61786,,,image,jpg,eng,,,image,/objects/essay_pic_3.jpg,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/small/essay_pic_3_sm.jpg,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/thumbs/essay_pic_3_th.jpg,,,,,,
diablo-mountain006,diablo-mountain,PtuZacgeEgI,Bill Moore - Full Interview,2021-07-17,Full interview of Bill Moore,,Lochsa River; Selway River; Clearwater River; Powell Ranger Station; Diablo Peak; Bill Moore; Forest Service; Volunteer lookouts; Norman McClain; Osborne Fire Finder; Nez-Perce Clearwater National Forest; Magruder Corridor; Selway-Bitterroot Wilderness; Smoke; R-6; the wilderness act of 1964; ,Selway-Bitterroot Wilderness ,46.29622,-114.61786,,,image;MovingImage,video/youtube,eng,,,video,https://youtu.be/PtuZacgeEgI,https://img.youtube.com/vi/PtuZacgeEgI/hqdefault.jpg,https://img.youtube.com/vi/PtuZacgeEgI/mqdefault.jpg,,,,,,
diablo-mountain007,diablo-mountain,diablo_theta.JPG,Diablo Lookout 360 Degree Image,2021-07-16,Panoramic image of the interior of Diablo Mountain lookout,,osborne fire finder; horse hair sight; rotating sight ring; seen area; systematic observation; township; range; r-6,Selway-Bitterroot Wilderness ,46.29622,-114.61786,,,image; panorama,image/jpeg,eng,,,panorama,/objects/diablo_theta.JPG,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/small/diablo_theta_sm.jpg,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/thumbs/diablo_theta_th.jpg,,,,,,
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pilot-peak,,pilot_peak.jpg,Pilot Peak,2021-06-21,"Built: 1919
Status: Staffed
Cabin: L-4
Other Resources:
National Lookout Historic Register
Rex's Fire Tower Page","Pilot Peak Lookout is located near the Frank Church River of No Return Wilderness and is staffed seasonally. This lookout is populated by an interview with Jim and Caroline Huntley who staffed lookouts in the early and mid-2000's. Watch clips and their full interview for descriptions of the remote appeal of lookout life, living together in an L-4 cabin, and the influence that Zen Buddhism had on their decision to become lookouts. ",Frank Church River of No Return Wilderness; Staffed Lookouts; l-4,,43.9601833,-115.68675,,,record,firetower,eng,,,firetower,/objects/pilot_peak.jpg,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/small/pilot_peak_sm.jpg,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/thumbs/pilot_peak_th.jpg,1919,Staffed,L-4,"National Lookout Historic Register
Rex's Fire Tower Page",,
pilot-peak001,pilot-peak,huntley_pilot_peak.mp4,"Marriage, Literature, Religion",2021-06-21,"The Huntley's talk about their time on Pilot Peak and Sheepeater Mountain, religion and lookouts, and a very memorable hike.",,Frank Church River of No Return Wilderness; Staffed Lookouts; Gary Snyder; Jack Kerouac; Naropa Institute of Zen Buddhism; Salmon River,,43.9601833,-115.68675,,,image;MovingImage,video/mp4,eng,,,video,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/videos/huntley_pilot_peak.mp4,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/small/huntley_pilot_peak_sm.jpg,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/thumbs/huntley_pilot_peak_th.jpg,,,,,,
pilot-peak002,pilot-peak,iIHtf_JSmUc,Jim and Caroline Huntley - Full Interview,2021-06-21,Full interview of Jim and Caroline Huntley,,Frank Church River of No Return Wilderness; Staffed Lookouts; Gary Snyder; Jack Kerouac; Naropa Institute of Zen Buddhism; Salmon River,,43.9601833,-115.68675,,,image;MovingImage,video/youtube,eng,,,video,https://youtu.be/iIHtf_JSmUc,https://img.youtube.com/vi/iIHtf_JSmUc/hqdefault.jpg,https://img.youtube.com/vi/iIHtf_JSmUc/mqdefault.jpg,,,,,,
-pilot-peak003,pilot-peak,huntleys_lost.mp4,What is Lost in the Transition Away from the Human Staffed Fire Lookout?,2021-06-21,Jim and Caroline Huntley discuss what is lost as the Forest Service and other agencies move away from lookout use.,,Frank Church River of No Return Wilderness; staffed lookouts; man-wife lookouts; geist; patrol points; systematic observation; ,,43.9601833,-115.68675,,,image;MovingImage,video/mp4,eng,,,video,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/videos/huntleys_lost.mp4,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/small/huntleys_lost_sm.jpg,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/thumbs/huntleys_lost_th.jpg,,,,,,"00:00:09:22 - 00:00:35:10 [Jack] So you've, you both have kind of described the look out as the site of rebirth and maybe even a kind of spiritual death at times, almost like, like a snake shedding its skin, this like periodic renewal.
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-00:00:35:12 - 00:01:00:29 Have you, have you found yourselves missing that since you've stopped being lookouts? Definitely. [Jim]Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. I was just saying that the other day, just, you know, because we're going all the time now, you know, we're like, we've just got with the farm and all of that, you know, we wake up and, you know, uh, in our days full until you fall asleep with your boots on at the end of the night, you know?
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-00:01:00:29 - 00:01:34:04 So, um, yeah, just night. I often say, you know, I wish they were just like the fires, but if you could just brush, just kind of just get that, that time. And so, yeah, I do miss, miss that opportunity to remake myself, um, and kind of just press the reset button is what we always used to say. You know, just pull the plug on whatever you're doing and, and, and that's it for, for three months.
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-00:01:34:04 - 00:01:57:22 And, um, yeah, you come out the other side a little, a little different. [Caroline] Yeah. And I think we'll say it to each other where it's like I could really use them like, look at time right now, you know, we know what that means, you know, like, you know, and, and the hard thing is, it's it's really it's almost impossible to recreate that experience, you know?
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-00:01:57:22 - 00:02:34:02 And I mean, when we were up there, like, you know, I think like we both I mean, like speaking for myself, I, I think that, you know, we felt like like this is like the best job ever for that reason, you know, because you can you can be yourself. And then also, you know, work hard and and try and be good at what you're doing and at the same time, like value that that space and so, you know, it's hard to find something that you know, is like that and values that you know, I mean, you know, in our society, you're supposed to be productive every moment and just do, you know, going on going
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-00:02:34:04 - 00:02:53:13 And on the look out, you're more like there to be like a mountain lion, you know, like you're just kind of there to sit and wait and watch and then pounce, you know, when the time is right. And there are very few things that are kind of like that. And in that that waiting time is where, you know, that's that's pretty precious.
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-00:02:53:14 - 00:03:18:28 [Jim] Yeah. Yeah. And I, I did a lot more reading up there. I mean, I probably read, you know, quite a bit, you know, and hefty ones, you know, and be able to think, think about it, you know, and really, really digest it, you know, and it doesn't happen quite the same way here. You know, I'll read a couple of pages and then, you know, and then that's just about it.
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-00:03:18:28 - 00:03:44:24 But, um, but I look out and look forward to that time. She'd go up there with a huge stack of books of what you wanted to dive into. And, um, yeah, yeah, that was, that was really nice aspect of it. [Caroline] Yeah. And I mean, we were definitely on like that end of the spectrum, like there's some lookouts that like to go down to town and like to, you know, visit people or like, you know, like having people come up and stuff.
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-00:03:44:24 - 00:04:04:19 And we're always like, look at. like, you know, we want to be as far away from people. We want to, like, get as much food as we can have so we don't have to come down to town, you know, like we just cherish that space so much that we just did everything that we could just to try and hold on to that space because it is so rare.
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-00:04:04:19 - 00:04:30:25 But yeah, we we definitely we definitely I think if we could live dual lives, you know, if we if there were, you know, there a way to kind of like have this and unfortunately you can't have goats and and do it like at the same time. But if we could we would, we would definitely do it. [Jim] And a big impetus for us leaving you know look out was just we were apart for three four months a year that got old, you know.
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-00:04:30:25 - 00:04:57:04 And when you start, you know, you just, uh, you start getting older and you're like, Whoa, shoot. We're missing out on everything all summer together. That’s kind of not fun. So, yeah. So that's nice to be back together and all of that. Yeah. You know, Uh, yeah. I mean, if I didn't have all these creatures to take care of, you know, and I still think about it, you know, I.
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-00:04:57:06 - 00:05:20:05 I've had opportunities to do, you know, stints on different mountains and whatnot. And, you know, I've been invited back to do that, you know, So that might just happen where I go up and do a month or a couple of weeks and relieve somebody. But, uh, but yeah, our life has definitely changed. Uh, you know, with, with all these animals.
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-00:05:20:05 - 00:05:57:17 So, um, yeah, [Caroline] and just something that I would add too, I think what we were both also feeling with a certain insecurity about our roles as lookouts in the Forest Service, too, you know, where you feel like as a lookout, you're kind of competing with the aircraft for fire detection, you know? So it's almost like you almost have, like, this, like little, you know, game as a lookout where you're like you're trying to beat the planes, you know, because you know that the planes are like they have all the advantage, you know, in in so many ways, you know, they can kind of fly around and and get to where they want to go.
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-00:05:57:17 - 00:06:20:02 So, you know, your advantage is just being on top of things so much, You know, you know, and and watching. But but yeah, we were just starting to get nervous about, you know, how long you know, how long the, uh, the Forest Service would, would keep doing that. And I think that's where we always try to be low maintenance.
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-00:06:20:05 - 00:06:39:23 And that was always a big thing. Just like not, you know, not be a problem, you know, and just try and be really good and effective at what you're doing. Because I think there's tremendous value. I mean, we always feel like there is tremendous value, you know, in in in humans being up there and, you know, having that role.
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-00:06:39:23 - 00:07:11:17 But we were getting nervous whether, you know, the organization would still keep valuing it. [Jim] And we got the Bergdorf gig. So that was pretty hard to pass up. Uh, and Bergdorf is, you know, right near the mountains. So it was an opportunity for us to live in those mountains full time, year round. And, and, uh, that was also the difficult part about the look out was you'd have to come back to society and try and find a job, Right?
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-00:07:11:17 - 00:07:27:18 You know, And who wants to hire somebody for, you know, you know, once you got settled, you'd have another four or five months, you know, where you're you're looking for work and no one would want to hire you because they knew you were going to go back to look out and so that got to be a little challenging.
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-00:07:27:18 - 00:07:49:13 And, uh, and Bergdorf was just too cool to pass up, you know? It's really neat spot. [Caroline] So that's what we always said. Like, you know, we would have to find something that was like as good as the lookout to leave because we never wanted to leave. We just we really we really felt like we wanted to do it forever, you know?
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-00:07:49:16 - 00:08:24:24 [Jack] Can you just elaborate on, on, on what you think is, is lost in the transition away from the human fire lookout toward aerial surveillance as the primary means of fire detection. [Caroline] Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I mean, I think there's so many different aspects of it, you know, um, you know, I mean, obviously just like a cultural heritage, you know, is, is just really important to, you know, have the history there and someone maintaining that.
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-00:08:24:24 - 00:08:53:14 But, but having a person out in the woods, you know, we, we found ourselves in different situations being needed as communication relays for you know for different like plane crashes that were in the backcountry and communication would break down and there would only be a lookout to be able to make that happen. So we both found ourselves in those positions at different points in time.
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-00:08:53:16 - 00:09:23:22 You know, also, there would always be, you know, people getting lost or, you know, there were always incidents of of other, you know, campers or just people in the back country that just, you know, needed somebody there, you know, And whether that's like as a communications relay or just as as somebody that can help, you know, you know, because it's so difficult when you're out there, you know, if someone breaks a leg, you know, how are they going to you know, notify somebody?
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-00:09:23:22 - 00:09:57:25 And, you know, when you don't have you don't have cell service and you don't have a sat phone. So so anyway, there there, every summer, there was always something that would come up. There's always emergencies that were human related, definitely. And there's you know, and then too, you're up there monitoring all the conditions. So, for instance, you know, you get a thunderstorm or, you know, a storm system coming through and you see the activity of lightning.
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-00:09:57:25 - 00:10:16:29 And obviously lightning maps can pick that stuff up, too. But you're aware of like, you know, what really got hit. You know, there's like a little bolt here and then there's one that just brrrr. You know, you could see when something gets really zapped and you're like, I got to keep my eye over there and you know that it's really dry.
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-00:10:16:29 - 00:10:34:20 Or, you know, you're kind of aware of of what the the conditions are out there. You know, you're you're you're visual eyes out there. You know, we we get calls from, you know, our managers saying like, you know what you know, like, what are the clouds looking like? What you know, what are the conditions looking like out there?
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-00:10:34:20 - 00:11:04:29 You know, And you're the eyes for, you know, the office and, you know, perhaps perhaps you could get a camera and and get a visual, but you're not getting the whole experience, you know, And I think a person could kind of, you know, if they're aware and and, you know, can communicate effectively that, you know, you can just give more of an accurate description as to what's going on in the backcountry in some of these areas.
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-00:11:04:29 - 00:11:17:05 You know, and planes are expensive. You know, aircraft is really expensive to get out there. And humans are actually can be fairly inexpensive. Yeah, yeah. Considering. But
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+pilot-peak003,pilot-peak,huntleys_lost.mp4,What is Lost in the Transition Away from the Human Staffed Fire Lookout?,2021-06-21,Jim and Caroline Huntley discuss what is lost as the Forest Service and other agencies move away from lookout use.,,Frank Church River of No Return Wilderness; staffed lookouts; man-wife lookouts; geist; patrol points; systematic observation; ,,43.9601833,-115.68675,,,image;MovingImage,video/mp4,eng,,,video,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/videos/huntleys_lost.mp4,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/small/huntleys_lost_sm.jpg,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/thumbs/huntleys_lost_th.jpg,,,,,,"00:00:09:22 - 00:00:35:10 [Jack] So you've, you both have kind of described the look out as the site of rebirth and maybe even a kind of spiritual death at times, almost like, like a snake shedding its skin, this like periodic renewal.
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+00:00:35:12 - 00:01:00:29 Have you, have you found yourselves missing that since you've stopped being lookouts? Definitely. [Jim]Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. I was just saying that the other day, just, you know, because we're going all the time now, you know, we're like, we've just got with the farm and all of that, you know, we wake up and, you know, uh, in our days full until you fall asleep with your boots on at the end of the night, you know?
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+00:01:00:29 - 00:01:34:04 So, um, yeah, just night. I often say, you know, I wish they were just like the fires, but if you could just brush, just kind of just get that, that time. And so, yeah, I do miss, miss that opportunity to remake myself, um, and kind of just press the reset button is what we always used to say. You know, just pull the plug on whatever you're doing and, and, and that's it for, for three months.
+
+00:01:34:04 - 00:01:57:22 And, um, yeah, you come out the other side a little, a little different. [Caroline] Yeah. And I think we'll say it to each other where it's like I could really use them like, look at time right now, you know, we know what that means, you know, like, you know, and, and the hard thing is, it's it's really it's almost impossible to recreate that experience, you know?
+
+00:01:57:22 - 00:02:34:02 And I mean, when we were up there, like, you know, I think like we both I mean, like speaking for myself, I, I think that, you know, we felt like like this is like the best job ever for that reason, you know, because you can you can be yourself. And then also, you know, work hard and and try and be good at what you're doing and at the same time, like value that that space and so, you know, it's hard to find something that you know, is like that and values that you know, I mean, you know, in our society, you're supposed to be productive every moment and just do, you know, going on going
+
+00:02:34:04 - 00:02:53:13 And on the look out, you're more like there to be like a mountain lion, you know, like you're just kind of there to sit and wait and watch and then pounce, you know, when the time is right. And there are very few things that are kind of like that. And in that that waiting time is where, you know, that's that's pretty precious.
+
+00:02:53:14 - 00:03:18:28 [Jim] Yeah. Yeah. And I, I did a lot more reading up there. I mean, I probably read, you know, quite a bit, you know, and hefty ones, you know, and be able to think, think about it, you know, and really, really digest it, you know, and it doesn't happen quite the same way here. You know, I'll read a couple of pages and then, you know, and then that's just about it.
+
+00:03:18:28 - 00:03:44:24 But, um, but I look out and look forward to that time. She'd go up there with a huge stack of books of what you wanted to dive into. And, um, yeah, yeah, that was, that was really nice aspect of it. [Caroline] Yeah. And I mean, we were definitely on like that end of the spectrum, like there's some lookouts that like to go down to town and like to, you know, visit people or like, you know, like having people come up and stuff.
+
+00:03:44:24 - 00:04:04:19 And we're always like, look at. like, you know, we want to be as far away from people. We want to, like, get as much food as we can have so we don't have to come down to town, you know, like we just cherish that space so much that we just did everything that we could just to try and hold on to that space because it is so rare.
+
+00:04:04:19 - 00:04:30:25 But yeah, we we definitely we definitely I think if we could live dual lives, you know, if we if there were, you know, there a way to kind of like have this and unfortunately you can't have goats and and do it like at the same time. But if we could we would, we would definitely do it. [Jim] And a big impetus for us leaving you know look out was just we were apart for three four months a year that got old, you know.
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+00:04:30:25 - 00:04:57:04 And when you start, you know, you just, uh, you start getting older and you're like, Whoa, shoot. We're missing out on everything all summer together. That’s kind of not fun. So, yeah. So that's nice to be back together and all of that. Yeah. You know, Uh, yeah. I mean, if I didn't have all these creatures to take care of, you know, and I still think about it, you know, I.
+
+00:04:57:06 - 00:05:20:05 I've had opportunities to do, you know, stints on different mountains and whatnot. And, you know, I've been invited back to do that, you know, So that might just happen where I go up and do a month or a couple of weeks and relieve somebody. But, uh, but yeah, our life has definitely changed. Uh, you know, with, with all these animals.
+
+00:05:20:05 - 00:05:57:17 So, um, yeah, [Caroline] and just something that I would add too, I think what we were both also feeling with a certain insecurity about our roles as lookouts in the Forest Service, too, you know, where you feel like as a lookout, you're kind of competing with the aircraft for fire detection, you know? So it's almost like you almost have, like, this, like little, you know, game as a lookout where you're like you're trying to beat the planes, you know, because you know that the planes are like they have all the advantage, you know, in in so many ways, you know, they can kind of fly around and and get to where they want to go.
+
+00:05:57:17 - 00:06:20:02 So, you know, your advantage is just being on top of things so much, You know, you know, and and watching. But but yeah, we were just starting to get nervous about, you know, how long you know, how long the, uh, the Forest Service would, would keep doing that. And I think that's where we always try to be low maintenance.
+
+00:06:20:05 - 00:06:39:23 And that was always a big thing. Just like not, you know, not be a problem, you know, and just try and be really good and effective at what you're doing. Because I think there's tremendous value. I mean, we always feel like there is tremendous value, you know, in in in humans being up there and, you know, having that role.
+
+00:06:39:23 - 00:07:11:17 But we were getting nervous whether, you know, the organization would still keep valuing it. [Jim] And we got the Bergdorf gig. So that was pretty hard to pass up. Uh, and Bergdorf is, you know, right near the mountains. So it was an opportunity for us to live in those mountains full time, year round. And, and, uh, that was also the difficult part about the look out was you'd have to come back to society and try and find a job, Right?
+
+00:07:11:17 - 00:07:27:18 You know, And who wants to hire somebody for, you know, you know, once you got settled, you'd have another four or five months, you know, where you're you're looking for work and no one would want to hire you because they knew you were going to go back to look out and so that got to be a little challenging.
+
+00:07:27:18 - 00:07:49:13 And, uh, and Bergdorf was just too cool to pass up, you know? It's really neat spot. [Caroline] So that's what we always said. Like, you know, we would have to find something that was like as good as the lookout to leave because we never wanted to leave. We just we really we really felt like we wanted to do it forever, you know?
+
+00:07:49:16 - 00:08:24:24 [Jack] Can you just elaborate on, on, on what you think is, is lost in the transition away from the human fire lookout toward aerial surveillance as the primary means of fire detection. [Caroline] Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I mean, I think there's so many different aspects of it, you know, um, you know, I mean, obviously just like a cultural heritage, you know, is, is just really important to, you know, have the history there and someone maintaining that.
+
+00:08:24:24 - 00:08:53:14 But, but having a person out in the woods, you know, we, we found ourselves in different situations being needed as communication relays for you know for different like plane crashes that were in the backcountry and communication would break down and there would only be a lookout to be able to make that happen. So we both found ourselves in those positions at different points in time.
+
+00:08:53:16 - 00:09:23:22 You know, also, there would always be, you know, people getting lost or, you know, there were always incidents of of other, you know, campers or just people in the back country that just, you know, needed somebody there, you know, And whether that's like as a communications relay or just as as somebody that can help, you know, you know, because it's so difficult when you're out there, you know, if someone breaks a leg, you know, how are they going to you know, notify somebody?
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+00:09:23:22 - 00:09:57:25 And, you know, when you don't have you don't have cell service and you don't have a sat phone. So so anyway, there there, every summer, there was always something that would come up. There's always emergencies that were human related, definitely. And there's you know, and then too, you're up there monitoring all the conditions. So, for instance, you know, you get a thunderstorm or, you know, a storm system coming through and you see the activity of lightning.
+
+00:09:57:25 - 00:10:16:29 And obviously lightning maps can pick that stuff up, too. But you're aware of like, you know, what really got hit. You know, there's like a little bolt here and then there's one that just brrrr. You know, you could see when something gets really zapped and you're like, I got to keep my eye over there and you know that it's really dry.
+
+00:10:16:29 - 00:10:34:20 Or, you know, you're kind of aware of of what the the conditions are out there. You know, you're you're you're visual eyes out there. You know, we we get calls from, you know, our managers saying like, you know what you know, like, what are the clouds looking like? What you know, what are the conditions looking like out there?
+
+00:10:34:20 - 00:11:04:29 You know, And you're the eyes for, you know, the office and, you know, perhaps perhaps you could get a camera and and get a visual, but you're not getting the whole experience, you know, And I think a person could kind of, you know, if they're aware and and, you know, can communicate effectively that, you know, you can just give more of an accurate description as to what's going on in the backcountry in some of these areas.
+
+00:11:04:29 - 00:11:17:05 You know, and planes are expensive. You know, aircraft is really expensive to get out there. And humans are actually can be fairly inexpensive. Yeah, yeah. Considering. But
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poirier-tree-farm,,,Poirier Tree Farm,,,,,,47.99813,-116.9974,,,record,compound_object,eng,,,tower,,,,,,,,,
@@ -208,7 +246,40 @@ rocky-point,,,Rocky Point,,,,,,46.58222,-114.66587,,,record,compound_object,eng,
rocky-point-2,,,Rocky Point #2,,,,,,46.84568,-116.87758,,,record,compound_object,eng,,,tower,,,,,,,,,
roughneck-peak,,roughneck-theta1.jpg,Ruffneck Peak,2021-08-23,"Built: 1932
Status: Staffed
Cabin: L-4
Other Resources:
National Lookout Historic Register
Rex's Fire Tower Page","Ruffneck Peak Lookout is located near the Frank Church River of No Return Wilderness and is staffed seasonally. This lookout is populated by interviews with Andy Baca and Don Scheese. Andy Baca is a fire lookout, teacher, and hunting guide. Don Scheese is the author of Mountains of Memory: A Fire Lookout's Life in the River of No Return Wilderness. Watch clips and their full interviews for descriptions of the lookout's place in the landscape, the tension between human settlement and wilderness areas, and information about a recent earthquake near Ruffneck Peak. ",,Frank Church River of No Return Wilderness,44.48270554,-115.155742,,,record,firetower,,,,firetower,/objects/roughneck-theta1.jpg,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/small/roughneck-theta3_sm.jpg,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/thumbs/roughneck-theta3_th.jpg,1932,Staffed,L-4,"National Lookout Historic Register
Rex's Fire Tower Page",,
roughneck-peak001,roughneck-peak,andy_final_3.mp4,A Few Words on Life as a Lookout,2021-08-23,"Andy explains that he began working on lookouts the year A River Runs Through it (1992) came out, and that its soundtrack ""epitomizes the lookout life."" ",,Frank Church River of No Return Wilderness; Mountains of Memory; Don Scheese; Earthquake Activity; Staffed Lookouts; L-4; ruffneck peak,Frank Church River of No Return Wilderness,44.48270554,-115.155742,,,image;MovingImage,video/mp4,eng,,,video,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/videos/andy_final_3.mp4,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/small/andy_final_3_sm.jpg,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/thumbs/andy_final_3_th.jpg,,,,,,
-roughneck-peak002,roughneck-peak,andy_lost.mp4,What is Lost in the Transition Away from the Human Staffed Fire Lookout?,2021-08-23,Andy Baca discusses what is lost as the Forest Service and other agencies move away from lookout use.,,Earthquake Activity; Terminator; A River Runs Through It; Geist; Staffed Lookouts; ruffneck peak,Frank Church River of No Return Wilderness,44.48270554,-115.155742,,,image;MovingImage,video/mp4,eng,,,video,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/videos/andy_lost.mp4,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/small/andy_lost_sm.jpg,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/thumbs/andy_lost_th.jpg,,,,,,
+roughneck-peak002,roughneck-peak,andy_lost.mp4,What is Lost in the Transition Away from the Human Staffed Fire Lookout?,2021-08-23,Andy Baca discusses what is lost as the Forest Service and other agencies move away from lookout use.,,Earthquake Activity; Terminator; A River Runs Through It; Geist; Staffed Lookouts; ruffneck peak,Frank Church River of No Return Wilderness,44.48270554,-115.155742,,,image;MovingImage,video/mp4,eng,,,video,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/videos/andy_lost.mp4,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/small/andy_lost_sm.jpg,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/thumbs/andy_lost_th.jpg,,,,,,"00:00:00:00 - 00:00:30:08
+[Jack] Can you talk about what the purpose of a look at it is what your what your job is here.
+[Andy] Well, you know, the purpose of the look out here has remained the same just to spot the fires, to call them in. And at one point when there were lookouts on more mountain tops, the lookouts themselves would actually fight the fires.
+
+00:00:30:10 - 00:00:59:09
+[ Andy] And initially it was to protect the timber because the timber went to the timber industry and, you know, they were harvesting the forest and it was more of a conservationist type of mentality where the forest, you know, hey, cut the trees and replant them. It was more along the lines of Theodore Roosevelt. And now, like, especially here in the Frank Church Wilderness, the purpose of the wilderness has changed.
+
+00:00:59:09 - 00:01:27:18
+[Andy] You don't harvest the timber here anymore. Now, this is more for recreational purposes. So, you know, the fire policies here are quite different. They don't fight the fires. They don't spend the money. They say well, this is nature. Let it let it take its course, which is both good and bad. I have problems with that. You know, throughout world history, there have been areas that were forested, that were deforested and have not been replanted, and now they're deserts.
+
+00:01:27:20 - 00:01:55:01
+[Andy] Israel was one example of that. So, you know, you see the results of the fires here. And it's it'll be decades, you know, it'll be beyond your lifetime before the trees start to come back, you know, to, um, in any significance. And some areas where it burned so hot that that it sterilizes the ground. The only way you're going to get trees in areas of birds take a shit with a seed in it or you go and replant it.
+
+00:01:55:03 - 00:02:21:22
+[Andy] And so yeah, so I mean that's it in a nutshell. The purpose of the look out, you know, and the change in forest policies. But anyway. Yeah. Any other questions.
+[Jack] Yeah, I got one. You, you guys are becoming extinct in a way. Do you have any thoughts on the changing policies?
+[Andy] Well, it's, it's, uh, it's kind of the ways of the world.
+
+00:02:21:22 - 00:02:47:09
+[Andy] Everything is trying to go, you know, artificial intelligence: A.I.. There have been some lookouts where they just have a machine in the center that has infrared and things like that, where they can pick up the heat signatures of the fires. Well, I mean, that's good and bad. But then you're paying, you know, tens of thousands of dollars to maintain a piece of equipment and you got to pay the guy to maintain the equipment.
+
+00:02:47:11 - 00:03:19:11
+[Andy] So, you know, and a lookouts a whole lot cheaper. Plus, you’re here 24/7. You know, I mean, I've spotted fires at four in the morning, you know. So, um, do I like it? No, but it's, uh, it's inevitable as society puts more and more faith and trust in technology, you know, which is unfortunate. So.
+[Jack] What would you say is that thing that's lost in the move away from people like you?
+
+00:03:19:13 - 00:03:50:23
+[Andy] Lost?
+[Jack] Yeah.
+[Andy] Uh, a sense of continuity. You know when you take the human element out of it. Um, you've lost. What gives. We give things meaning. Okay. A tree or a wilderness has no meaning. If there are people not here to use it. Uh, so when you begin, you know, using technology, technology does not have soul, does not have spirit, you know, And, uh, we do.
+
+00:03:50:23 - 00:04:12:07
+[Andy] You know, it's kind of like Terminator. Remember the Terminator movies, you know, Skynet and all that. What was happening, It was a transition from killing, you know, from humanity to technology and machines and, uh, you know, what kind of life is that?
+
+"
roughneck-peak003,roughneck-peak,scheese_on_wilderness.mp4,Wilderness as Human Modified Space,2021-08-23,Don Scheese describes Wilderness as a human modified space,,Frank Church River of No Return Wilderness; Mountains of Memory; ruffneck peak,Frank Church River of No Return Wilderness,44.48270554,-115.155742,,,image;MovingImage,video/mp4,eng,,,video,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/videos/scheese_on_wilderness.mp4,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/small/scheese_on_wilderness_sm.jpg,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/thumbs/scheese_on_wilderness_th.jpg,,,,,,
roughneck-peak004,roughneck-peak,andy_on_catwalk.jpg,View from the Deck of Ruffneck,2021-08-23,Andy Baca sitting on the catwalk of Ruffneck Lookout,,Frank Church River of No Return Wilderness; Staffed Lookouts; L-4; ruffneck peak,Frank Church River of No Return Wilderness,44.48270554,-115.155742,,,image;stillimage,image/jpeg,eng,,,image,/objects/andy_on_catwalk.jpg,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/small/andy_on_catwalk_sm.jpg,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/thumbs/andy_on_catwalk_th.jpg,,,,,,
roughneck-peak005,roughneck-peak,InTGtiC3-Ww,Andy Baca - Full Interview,2021-08-23,Full interview of Andy Baca,,Frank Church River of No Return Wilderness; Earthquake Activity; Staffed Lookouts; L-4; ruffneck peak,Frank Church River of No Return Wilderness,44.48270554,-115.155742,,,image;MovingImage,video/youtube,eng,,,video,https://youtu.be/InTGtiC3-Ww,https://img.youtube.com/vi/InTGtiC3-Ww/hqdefault.jpg,https://img.youtube.com/vi/InTGtiC3-Ww/mqdefault.jpg,,,,,,
@@ -227,7 +298,57 @@ sedgewick-peak,,,Sedgewick Peak,,,,,,42.51574,-111.92338,,,record,compound_objec
shafer-butte,,,Shafer Butte,,,,,,43.77149,-116.08848,,,record,compound_object,eng,,,tower,,,,,,,,,
sheep-hill,,sheep_hill.JPG,Sheep Hill,2021-06-01,"Built: 1928
Status: Staffed
Cabin: R-6
Other Resources:
National Lookout Historic Register
Rex's Fire Tower Page
Photo Credit:
United States Forest Service","Sheep Hill Lookout is located in the Nez Perce National Forest and is staffed seasonally. This lookout is populated with an interview by Betsy Booth (see Sheepeater Lookout for Betsy's full interview) who spent years staffing lookouts in the Nez Perce National Forest and the Frank Church River of No Return Wilderness. Watch Betsy discuss a memorable storm. For more information on the above panoramic photograph, which was provided with the permission of the United States Forest Service, you can read the National Park Service's ""History of the Panoramic Lookout Project.""",,Frank Church River of No Return Wilderness,45.58851,-115.0882,,,record,firetower,eng,,,firetower,/objects/sheep_hill.JPG,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/small/sheep_hill_sm.jpg,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/thumbs/sheep_hill_th.jpg,1928,Staffed,R-6,"National Lookout Historic Register
Rex's Fire Tower Page:",United States Forest Service,
sheep-hill001,sheep-hill,the_best_storm.mp4,"""The Very Best Storm I've Ever Been In""",2021-06-01,Video of Betsy Booth describing a particuarly memorable storm on Sheep Hill Lookout,,Sheep Hill; Lightning Storms; Staffed Lookouts; Hail; R-6; last rain; lightning rods; lightning stool; strike; wind vane; systematic observation; ,Frank Church River of No Return Wilderness,45.58851,-115.0882,,,image;MovingImage,video/mp4,eng,,,video,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/videos/the_best_storm.mp4,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/small/the_best_storm_sm.jpg,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/thumbs/the_best_storm_th.jpg,,,,,,
-sheep-hill002,sheep-hill,betsy_lost.mp4,What is Lost in the Transition Away from the Human Staffed Lookout?,2021-06-01,Betsy Booth discusses what is lost as the Forest Service and other agencies move away from lookout use.,,Sheep Hill; Staffed Lookouts; R-6; ,Frank Church River of No Return Wilderness,45.58851,-115.0882,,,image;MovingImage,video/mp4,eng,,,video,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/videos/betsy_lost.mp4,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/small/betsy_lost_sm.jpg,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/thumbs/betsy_lost_th.jpg,,,,,,
+sheep-hill002,sheep-hill,betsy_lost.mp4,What is Lost in the Transition Away from the Human Staffed Lookout?,2021-06-01,Betsy Booth discusses what is lost as the Forest Service and other agencies move away from lookout use.,,Sheep Hill; Staffed Lookouts; R-6; ,Frank Church River of No Return Wilderness,45.58851,-115.0882,,,image;MovingImage,video/mp4,eng,,,video,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/videos/betsy_lost.mp4,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/small/betsy_lost_sm.jpg,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/thumbs/betsy_lost_th.jpg,,,,,,"00:00:00:00 - 00:00:39:26
+[Michael] So as we move away from fire lookouts, they kind of become, you know, obsolete in a way as new technology is implemented. Do you feel like that transition away from the human staffed fire lookout. Do you feel like anything is lost in that transition?
+
+[Betsy] Yeah, absolutely. I mean, for one, it's usually cheaper to staff a lookout for the summer than it is to put an aerial resource up.
+
+00:00:39:28 - 00:01:16:18
+[Betsy] Um, whenever you've had a lightning bust. So that's kind of a thing. Um, that it's a, uh, it's a shift in, um, how budgets can be, you know, kind of sold, I guess, um. And it also you lose all of that human como, um, between the person who's there all of the time versus the people, maybe the resources who just responded to a fire or some jumpers who are from this forest, who got chucked out, and they need an idea of how to hike out best.
+
+00:01:16:21 - 00:01:41:04
+[Betsy] You know, and you can give them real time on the ground experience of where, you know, knowledge of where they should maybe head. Um, that weather watching, uh, you know, the fact that the cameras in particular, you know, will catch smoke and they're getting better at it, but generally it's not nearly as little smoke as the lookouts going to notice, um, in their day of watching out there.
+
+00:01:41:04 - 00:02:05:10
+[Betsy] And, uh, you wind up with bigger fires generally before the cameras pick them up than the human would, because it takes kind of a lot of smoke. Like if it's if it's at the time when, uh, when to look at when a camera can see it, it's usually beyond a spot, unless it's in some really unusual timber or something like that.
+
+00:02:05:12 - 00:02:28:18
+[Betsy] Yeah. And also lookouts track the lightning where it came in the first place. So, you know, like you're looking for smoke to arise for weeks afterward in these spots that lightning hit. So you just kind of have a little bit of advance knowledge on things. I think that loses a lot.
+[Michael] So thinking about the spaces that fire towers around.
+
+00:02:28:22 - 00:03:00:29
+[Michael] Do you think there's a relationship between the fire lookout and wilderness?
+
+[Betsy] Um. Ask that again. Sorry.
+
+[Michael] Yeah. Um, do you think that the. The concept of wilderness in Idaho as a as a wild space that sort of as free from human interference as possible. Do you think that there's any sort of relationship between the reality of wilderness and what the fire lookout is?
+
+00:03:01:02 - 00:03:29:22
+[Betsy] Sure. Like just a, uh, a disconnect between the two things or connect either way.
+
+[Michael] Um, yeah.
+
+[Betsy] Um, well, the first thing comes to mind is like, you know, um, here in Idaho, we have the largest, you know, we have the Frank Church and then the 50 yard corridor between it with the Magruder road, you know, um, and then the Selway-Bitterroot and then the, uh, what you call it, Gospel Hump is just right there.
+
+00:03:29:22 - 00:04:00:24
+[Betsy] Off to the side, separated by a few dozen miles. Um, but all of those have airstrips grandfathered into them, right? So. And private inholdings that are still in the centers of them. And so as far as like humans and structures on the ground that, um, don't fit the wilderness. Um, uh, you know, structure as it's written and everything like that.
+
+00:04:00:26 - 00:04:31:02
+[Betsy] There are already a lot of exceptions here, but I think they're a little more truthful maybe than, um. I don't know. I think humans, humans kind of should be out there a little bit. Humans would be out there if we hadn't chased the Tukuaduka out of, you know, out of out of, uh, the church and, um, blah, blah, blah. You know, the, the, the history there is that people were on the ground, you know, since the late 1800s, to which in Idaho terms is ancient history.
+
+00:04:31:05 - 00:05:11:28
+[Betsy] Um, look out started being up there in the early 1900s. So as far as West Coast history, they kind of belong, um, and uh, but yeah, they're, they're an exception. You know, my, um, all of my lookouts had, uh, solar panels, so I, you know, I had propane stove, propane or solar fridge. Um, I had, uh, the ability to hook, um, my iPod and my coffee grinder into, into the battery bank and, uh, you know, and kind of live it up.
+
+00:05:11:28 - 00:05:38:14
+[Betsy] I had ice cubes at most of my lookouts because, again, the, you know, the refrigeration that I had available to myself, um, that's kind of crazy. And totally different. And, you know, of course, what it was for decades and decades and decades, I had enough, um, just enough phone service that I could text and even make phone calls, you know, to the outside, uh, friends and family, instead of just being confined to the radio or the crank telephone.
+
+00:05:38:17 - 00:06:02:26
+[Betsy] Um, so it's, it's, it's a whole different deal than it used to be, but I think it still just kind of fits. The other thing as well here, Krassel only has Sheepeater left as a lookout. I mean, The Payette only has Sheepeater left as a wilderness lookout. Um, Salmon-Challis has a couple. Uh, I guess the Clear-Nez has a few.
+
+00:06:02:26 - 00:06:22:26
+[Betsy] Right. Kind of sprinkled in. Um, but so many more of them are more front country lookouts or outside of the wilderness, um, than we used to be. I guess. I really wandered around a lot there. I'm not sure I answered any kind of question, but it was kind of funny question too, and I didn't know where to go with it, so. [Laughter]
+
+"
sheep-hill003,sheep-hill,sheep_hill.JPG,Sheep Hill Panoramic Photograph,2023-04-02,Panorama of Sheep Hill lookout,,Sheep Hill; Staffed Lookouts; R-6,Frank Church River of No Return Wilderness,45.58851,-115.0882,,,image;panorama,image/jpeg,eng,,,image,/objects/sheep_hill.JPG,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/small/sheep_hill_sm.jpg,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/thumbs/sheep_hill_th.jpg,,,,,,
sheepeater-mountain,,,Sheepeater Mountain,,"Built: 1934
Status: Staffed (only during peak fire sesaon)
Cabin: R-6
Other Resources:
National Lookout Historic Register
Rex's Fire Tower Page
Photo Credit:
University of Idaho Archival Idaho Photograph Collection","Sheepeater Mountain Lookout is located in the Frank Church River of No Return Wilderness and is staffed seasonally. This lookout is populated with interviews by Betsy Booth and Ed Allen. Betsy Booth has staffed lookouts in the Nez Perce National Forest and Frank Church River of No Return Wilderness. Ed Allen built, restored, and transported lookouts for the Forest Service. Watch clips and their full interviews for descriptions of the Native American history of Sheepeater Mountain, the role women have played in lookout history and culture, the struggles of staffing lookouts, and how lookouts are built and maintained. ",,Frank Church River of No Return Wilderness,45.38986,-115.34687,,,record,firetower,eng,,,firetower,/objects/sheepeater_construction.jpg,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/small/sheepeater_construction_sm.jpg,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/thumbs/sheepeater_construction_th.jpg,1934,Staffed (only during peak fire sesaon),R-6,"National Lookout Historic Register
Rex's Fire Tower Page:","University of Idaho Archival Idaho Photograph Collection",
sheepeater-mountain001,sheepeater-mountain,betsy_final_1.mp4,"Native American Presence and an ""Awareness""",2021-06-17,Betsy Booth on Sheepeater Mountain and its indigenous history,,Sheepeater Mountain; Tukudika; Lightning storms; Frank Church River of No Return Wilderness; Staffed Lookouts; R-6; Gary Snyder; Beatnicks,Frank Church River of No Return Wilderness,45.38986,-115.34687,,,image;MovingImage,video/mp4,eng,,,video,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/videos/betsy_final_1.mp4,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/small/betsy_final_1_sm.jpg,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/thumbs/betsy_final_1_th.jpg,,,,,,
@@ -274,7 +395,69 @@ sundance-mountain,,,Sundance Mountain,,"Built: 1928
sundance-mountain001,sundance-mountain,pam_final_1.mp4,Pam Spots a Smoke,2021-06-18,Pam Aunan spots smoke from a permit burn,,L-4; Priest Lake; Selkirk Mountains; Volunteer Lookouts; Idaho Department of Lands; Sundance Fire; false smoke; waterdog; slope position; slope steepness; smoke; systematic observation; fire finder; burn index; horse hair sights; probable cause; seen area; ,Priest Lake,48.49076,-116.75149,,,image;MovingImage,image/mp4,eng,,,video,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/videos/pam_final_1.mp4,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/small/pam_final_1_sm.jpg,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/thumbs/pam_final_1_th.jpg,,,,,,
sundance-mountain002,sundance-mountain,pam_final_2.mp4,The Sundance Mountain Fire and How Landscapes Change Over Time,2021-06-18,Pam Aunan discusses the landscape and history of Sundance Mountain Lookout.,,L-4; Priest Lake; Selkirk Mountains; Volunteer lookouts; Idaho Department of Lands; Sundance Fire,Priest Lake,48.49076,-116.75149,,,image;MovingImage,video/mp4,eng,,,video,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/videos/pam_final_2.mp4,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/small/pam_final_2_sm.jpg,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/thumbs/pam_final_2_th.jpg,,,,,,
sundance-mountain003,sundance-mountain,pam_final_3.mp4,Pam Aunan Discusses Her First Lookout Experience,2021-06-19,Pam Aunan discusses her first experience on a lookout. ,,L-4; Priest Lake; Selkirk Mountains; Volunteer lookouts; Idaho Department of Lands; Sundance Fire,Priest Lake,48.49076,-116.75149,,,image;MovingImage,video/mp4,eng,,,video,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/videos/pam_final_3.mp4,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/small/pam_final_3_sm.jpg,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/thumbs/pam_final_3_th.jpg,,,,,,
-sundance-mountain004,sundance-mountain,pam_lost.mp4,What is Lost in the Transition Away from Human Staffed Lookouts?,2021-06-18,Pam Aunan discusses what is lost as the Forest Service and other agencies move away from lookout use.,,L-4; Priest Lake; Selkirk Mountains; Volunteer lookouts; Idaho Department of Lands; Sundance Fire,Priest Lake,48.49076,-116.75149,,,image;MovingImage,video/mp4,eng,,,video,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/videos/pam_lost.mp4,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/small/pam_lost_sm.jpg,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/thumbs/pam_lost_th.jpg,,,,,,
+sundance-mountain004,sundance-mountain,pam_lost.mp4,What is Lost in the Transition Away from Human Staffed Lookouts?,2021-06-18,Pam Aunan discusses what is lost as the Forest Service and other agencies move away from lookout use.,,L-4; Priest Lake; Selkirk Mountains; Volunteer lookouts; Idaho Department of Lands; Sundance Fire,Priest Lake,48.49076,-116.75149,,,image;MovingImage,video/mp4,eng,,,video,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/videos/pam_lost.mp4,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/small/pam_lost_sm.jpg,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/thumbs/pam_lost_th.jpg,,,,,,"00:00:00:00 - 00:00:34:20
+[Jack] I have a quick one.
+
+[Pam] Sure.
+
+[Jack] With the decline of the lookout tower over time, do you ever feel like you were going extinct? Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, we are. Well, from what I can tell, but, you know, Pennsylvania put a whole bunch of towers up because they decided we were right about the 24 seven human surveillance for fire suppression.
+
+00:00:34:22 - 00:01:07:24
+[Pam] And they just put a whole bunch of new towers into service last year, the year before. Meanwhile, Wisconsin took all the theirs out of service. So it would be interesting to talk to the people there in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. There was this one guy, he used to come over to them. I wonder if he's still there or not. His name was Tom Wagner and I can hook you up with him, but he was from Wisconsin and he would start the season on a Wisconsin tower and then he would come over and work.
+
+00:01:07:26 - 00:01:34:27
+[Pam] I think that ranger district out of Nine Mile. I don't know if you've been there, but that's a really cool place. And he was on a tower for a long time there. I don't know if he's still there or not, but yeah, we do feel like that this hurts a lot of us. I think. I mean, back in the day, I mean, towers were really a priority because that's what they depended on to get their forest…
+
+00:01:34:27 - 00:02:02:14
+[Pam] …fire detection. Now, I don't know, maybe, maybe if I was in the Flathead near Glacier it would be different. I would really encourage you talk to some of those people because they've had really intense lookout programs for a long time. And as far as I know, they're still doing it. So they have and they've actually this one guy, Leif, what’s Leif’s last name. Did you get Leif’s last name?
+
+00:02:02:17 - 00:02:26:24
+[Michael] I’ve been talking to him.
+
+[Pam] Did you talk to him?
+
+[Michael] I can’t remember his last name, but I’ve been talking to him.
+
+[Pam] Good. He's a really good source. I encourage you to talk to him.
+
+[Michael] But he's restoration, right? Restoration.
+
+[Pam] Yeah, he's putting. He's been putting a bunch in service now. I don't know if they're staffing them or if they’re ranking them ranking them, because a lot of them, I mean, I can't imagine that they're telling them to make a profit.
+
+00:02:26:27 - 00:02:37:27
+[Pam] But you know that the fact that there making it available for people is to me, I think it's great. And I don't know if they're.
+
+00:02:38:00 - 00:03:10:00
+[Pam] You know Leif. Hougan. Got it, see. He's from Minnesota,
+
+[Chris] He’s Scandinavian. Norwegian heritage.
+
+[Pam] He’s got red hair and everything. You met him yet?
+
+[Michael] No
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+[Pam] Are you going to go over and meet him?
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+[Michael] Uh, he's going to be down on a lookout on the Selway, I think.
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+[Pam] Is he restoring it?
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+[Michael] Uh, yeah. He was doing some restoration work in the beginning of July and he's going to get back to me about precise days.
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+00:03:10:02 - 00:03:27:16
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+[Michael] So he told me, so yeah, I’ve just had a couple exchanges when…
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+[Pam] Is he still going to staff his tower? It’s up on the Canadian border out of the Flathead?
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+[Michael] I don't know. I don't know.
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+[Pam] Yeah, he'd be he'd be good. He's awesome. He's the one that puts on that conference. No, a conference.
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+00:03:27:16 - 00:03:50:04
+[Pam] The one for those guys. And then there’s the Lookout Association. I don't know if they're doing it this year or not. They didn't do it last year because of the COVID. And this year, maybe not from the COVID. I don't know. But it's pretty exciting. Yeah, Let me know.
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sundance-mountain006,sundance-mountain,essay_pic_1.png,Osborne Fire Finder Inside Sundance Mountain Lookouts,2021-06-18,The Osborne Fire Finder in the cabin of Sundance Lookout,,L-4; Priest Lake; Selkirk Mountains; Volunteer lookouts; Idaho Department of Lands; Sundance Fire,Priest Lake,48.49076,-116.75149,,,image,image/png,eng,,,image,/objects/essay_pic_1.png,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/small/essay_pic_1_sm.jpg,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/thumbs/essay_pic_1_th.jpg,,,,,,
sundance-mountain007,sundance-mountain,michael_trout.jpg,Boy and Dog at Sundance Mountain Lookout,2021-06-18,"Michael Decker and his dog, Trout, on Sundance Mountain",,L-4; Priest Lake; Selkirk Mountains; Volunteer lookouts; Idaho Department of Lands; Sundance Fire; lookout dogs;,Priest Lake,48.49076,-116.75149,,,image;stillimage,image/jpeg,eng,,,image,/objects/michael_trout.jpg,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/small/michael_trout_sm.jpg,https://cdil.lib.uidaho.edu/keeping-watch/objects/thumbs/michael_trout_th.jpg,,,,,,