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Meeting Notes 2021 Science
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- CESM Workshop. Registration still open for attendence.
- FATES-SP mostly working with PR to FATES-main pending
- CLM5-SP != CLM-FATES-SP: Fast gas exchange has diverged since 2012. (LUNA, Medlyn, acclimation, etc).
- Unwinding these changes makes the models look more similar, but FATES also requires consideration of:
- Crops
- SAI bug
- leaf layers & direct vs diffuse light
- Long term, this raises questions about how we maintain the duplication / redundancies of photosynthesis code in CTSM and FATES.
- How does the whole system work when you 'roll forward' the CTSM and FATES codes,
- Especially when Big-Leaf is used for crops and FATES is used for natural vegetation?
- Are we close enough to having an efficient FATES code that can replace the big leaf radiation scheme? This may require a big-leaf implementation in FATES.
Computing resources, are there community projects we should saving this for, or consider donating hours to CESM testing?
- 8.4 million on LMWG Prod (93300041) 10/31
- 2.4 million on LMWG Dev (93300641) 10/31
- 2.7 million on TSS (08010000) 9/30
- 1M PPE for 1-at at time
- 1M+ PPE for latin hypercube
- Trendy (try running 0.5 degree?) & other MIP requests
- Meg & climate process team
- Claire & Abby, CAM-CLM perturbed simulations
- Jackie, tropical FATES & Fire
- 400k Sanjiv for high res.
- 1.5M Peter for
- 500k Andy Newman, CTSM high resolution calibration on NNA project.
- 500k Andy Wood, CTSM and S2S predictions (if needed)
- Polly Boutte, regional FATES simulations
- Andy Fox & Xuli, Global DA on LAI
- Danica, Crops & clouds AMIP runs
- Rosie, FATES calibration efforts (2.5 M on CSL allocation)
Katie leads a discussion on ESDS goals which likely will include development of new python-based diagnostics packages for CESM component models.
- This will be a bottom-up effort.
- Funding / people / time spring to mind as issues
- Maybe NCAR-NEON activity will be a good place to start!
- CAM Diagnostics - Brian Mederios, Jesse Nusbaumer and Cecile Hannay
- https://github.com/NCAR/CAM_diagnostics
- Working on replacing csh script using NCL scripts (dates to 2001) & improving modularity using Python
- Makes use of YAML files for configuration
- Part of broader effort - focused on atmosphere, can extend to larger scale
- Hopefully be helpful to other components
- Make our focus on the calculations
- Link to PDF of presentation: https://www.dropbox.com/s/no9ob9yca85l1er/diagnostics_esds.pdf?dl=0
- POP-tools
- Tools to support analysis of POP2-CESM model solutions with xarray
- https://github.com/NCAR/pop-tools/
- Work is a broad effort by various members of the OMWG and CISL.
- POP HiRes Analysis
- Building a set of tools for analyzing BGC output in a high-resolution POP run
- https://github.com/marbl-ecosys/HiRes-CESM-analysis
- Effort is led by Mike Levy, Keith Lindsay, Anderson Banihirwe, and Matt Long.
- CTSM-py https://github.com/NCAR/ctsm_python_gallery,
- A place to put sample workflows and tools that use CTSM model output
- PPE-tools - Daniel Kennedy, Katie Dagon (under development)
- Tools to support scripting and analysis of the CLM5 perturbed parameter ensemble (PPE)
- NCAR-NEON
- LMWG diagnostics?
- LMWG 3.5 hours Tues. morning
- Overview presentation (this is expected, helpful)?
- Topical discussions centered on:
- Disturbance and Management
- Fire - Charlie Koven - probabilistic vs prognostic method of handling fire and impacts
- Agriculture
- Interactions and Feedbacks
- Hillslope Hydrology
- Mizuroute?
- FATES-SP - priorities and progress, results?
- NEON simulations
- Disturbance and Management
- Series of <5 minute lightning talks (~6 talks per topic)
- Coordination committee
- Jackie, Rosie, Peter, Charlie, Negin, Sanjiv, Adrianna, Stefanie
- Invited talks only? welcome poster presentations (some of which may be elevated to main session)
- moderated discussion with guiding questions
- single slide introduction to posters?
Bill and Danica lead a discussion on grid cell averaging
Link to slides from this discussion
- Sparked by discussion regarding history fields related to ozone code.
- How does grid cell averaging (from subgrid, e.g., column or patch level, especially when a variable is not calculated on some land units)?
- extensive vs. intensive quantities (gC/m2 vs. K)
- How do users generate regional or global averages, especially with some fraction of a grid cells has land units w/ no values.
- Should be weighted by fraction of grid cell that a quantity is calculated over
- This is further complicated by LULCC, since fields are updated annually.
- We don't currently provide the metadata to do this correctly or which fields should be used for each variable of interest.
- Maybe use
pct_nat_veg
,pct_crop
& other land units, but additional metadata are needed on history files for this to be done correctly.
- Should be weighted by fraction of grid cell that a quantity is calculated over
- LOTS of different ways...
-
l2g_scale_type
provides a way to do this for veg, crop, urban, ice, etc.- Bill seems to like this since it clarifies metadata associated with each variable.
- Daniel asked if this could have
veg_intensive
andveg_extensive
definitions to handle most of the history fields.
-
set_*
, can be set to spval or 0. depending on if a quantity is included in averages or not.- Bill doesn't seem to like this
- Erik also think this this should not be used
- most history fields are typically set to
spval
, so they are not included in gridcell averages unless they are defined elsewhere. - Other variables are later set to zeros later in the code, which doesn't lend itself well to documentation in metadata.
- Peter asked how we maintain backwards compatibility in old history files and how we do our analyses?
- Bill thought this seemed more like a bug, if averaging was done incorrectly.
- Katie asked what other modeling group do?
- Dave noted this would be a great topic for the land model summit, if it ever happens.
- We need to add metadata to document how the field was averaged, as well as provide the landuse fractions so users can do what’s needed with it.
-
l2g_scale_type
seems like a good way to do this, especially for new history fields. - Crops & urban seem like particular use cases that may deserve additional consideration.
- It's somewhat daunting given the 1400 fields we can write out on history files.
- Issue seems greater w/ biogeophysics (BGC seems OK?).
- Write out
l2g_scale_type
metadata on history files.- Bill's still concerned this may be misleading based on
set_*
=spval
, although we're we're explicitly settingl2g_scale_type
this may be OK?
- Bill's still concerned this may be misleading based on
- Dave suggested picking a small set of variable to do this correctly.
- Possibly extend this to more commonly used variables used in analyses.
- Also need to build in the tools so that analyses are done correctly (ESDS & CTSM_py activities).
Ronny Meier introduces project on roughness lengths for deciduous vegetation [#1316]((https://github.com/ESCOMP/CTSM/issues/1316)
- Congratulations to Yue and Inne, 2021 Slater Award winners
- Surprises, thoughts, or recollections?
- Considerations for CESM Workshop: Panel based discussions around themes (e.g.):
- Discussion questions before meeting
- Series of lightening talks from (invited?) speakers:
- Themes:
- natural disturbance (fire, windthrow, drought)
- management (managed forests, agriculture)
- land-hydrology connections
- land-atmosphere interactions
- CTSM5.1.0 tag will also rename
master
tomain
Discussion of CTSM5.1 simulations
- do we pass the 'eye' test Dave, for Nate and ILAMB
Simulating DOM fluxes in CTSM, Devaraju
- Land only big leaf & FATES reduced complexity modes.
- CESM-FATES smoke test (waiting for FATES-SP + CESM2.2.beta02 tag)
- Brainstorming JamBoard
- Pages are organized to show:
- Mature work (Keith and Ryohei's work at Pusan),
- Topics / analyses that are (relatively) developed,
- Idea for additional analyses,
- Additional Questions & Requests &
- A quick look at some data (very preliminary).
- Please contribute ideas and thoughts to the JamBoard & contact Keith R. if interested in pursuing a topic in greater depth.
- LMWG and BGCWG meetings Feb 23-25, 2021. https://www.cesm.ucar.edu/events/wg-meetings/2021/land.html
- Biomass heat storage PR to CTSM5.1
- Stocking density as new CLM5.1 parameter
- FATES integration beginning
- Community simulations of CESM2 with forcing from CESM1-LENS runs.
- Investigate the relative role of forcing changes versus model structural changes in the differences between CESM2 CMIP6 runs and the CESM1-LENS runs.
- Marika and Cecile are considering putting together an overview paper that describes these runs with a few key results.
- Interest in contributing to paper or analyzing results?
- CESM2-LENS simulations, discussion at 4 MST Jan 28.
- Update from Fall 2020, related to snow density!
- Daniel introduces different flavors and how to calculate them
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